Don’t say this to hunters. They will hate you….! It’s the most unbalanced class, when they play especially stasis they ruin any match. But don’t tell them, bungie s favorite….

Yeh it will. Hopefully vex and dunemarchers too.

cayde's chicken is saddened by this comment . why would you do this

I honestly don’t even know why hunters have it. It makes sense for Titans given their focus on stasis crystals, and it WOULD make sense for warlocks given that they are supposed to be experts on freezing and shattering. Meanwhile Hunter can freeze, create crystals, and shatter with more efficiency than either of the other two classes even though its focus was supposed to be on slowing enemies. I’m not saying it’s bad that they have it, just that it’s beyond effective even compared to the Titan’s slide. That’s not even considering that Warlocks for whatever reason don’t have a shatter ability. I’m hoping there’s a lot of tuning that will actually put classes into their roles more. Like yeah the Warlock has a shatter blast on the super with a city block’s radius, but that doesn’t help when the tracking misses half the time (especially in PVE) and the tiny radius on those little bolts. Both GQ and SS have better freezing power than the class that’s actually supposed to be freezing enemies lol. Here’s some ideas: Hunter: Silence puts up a very large slow field that will slow into a freeze rather than instafreezing, and squall would possibly stay in the slow field’s radius. I also think it should be doing more damage in PVE, red bars shouldn’t take that long for a super to kill. Imagine if Nova Bomb’s shitty vortex could move. It would be wacky. So if the Squall is gonna move, limit it (I also understand that it doesn’t have an initial damage burst like NB). I’d also say change some aspects to really emphasize slowing. Like maybe shatterdive wouldn’t shatter anything, but rather put out a slow-wave in a cone in front of you. Perhaps it could also let the Hunter gain a movement speed buff for slowing (or killing slowed enemies) only by the dive. I’d also remove the Extra stasis crystals from the touch of winter and rather have the grenades generate slowing field around their paths/AoE. No reason Hunter’s should have proficiency with crystals over Titans. More slow. Titan: Glacial Quake Crystals should shatter themselves after a short amount of time and have larger AoE’s, and slide should be easier to get into while in the super. Idk if it’s a bug but while using it, I can’t seem to slide out of a melee which makes it super hard to shatter crystals in the first place. Maybe make it possible to cancel out of the melee (post hit) into a slide if on the floor. Diamond Lance should create a crystal at the point of impact rather than just being a freeze. It could create a larger crystal if something is killed by the Lance too! The Harvest ability should spawn more crystals given that they can only be used from crystals, or the crystals given should grant a bit more energy to compensate. Cryclasm should stick to only shattering crystals but perhaps gain a bit of resilience for each Crystal shattered by it. I’d also honestly say the Crystal melee should just straight up be the behemoths melee. Or maybe rework the behemoth melee to spawn a couple crystals if you are going along the ground. More crystals. Warlock: Winter’s Wrath is pretty awful in PVE and only slightly better with iceflare bolts. Either have it create large cone-waves of freezing in front of you, or let the bolts have a much larger AoE. It’s so bad at freezing and uses so much energy for the tiny little bursts, it’s laughable. Each of the four bolts should also have have their own autonomy. It would even be better is it short one large projectile at a time. Meanwhile GQ freezes on cast and then freezes a city block with one smash, and SS just slows then freezes anything passing through it. I hate iceflare because you’re just sitting there waiting to freeze the next thing, meanwhile in any other class or even subclass you’d already have the next guy and a whole pack of others dead. I’d say change iceflare bolts to something that functions similarly to the stasis mines from solstice. That was the only time I’ve ever felt actually powerful as a Shadebinder in PVE. Do something with the melee, it’s so slow that a thrall moving slightly to the left causes it to miss. Either speed it up or rework it entirely. I get it’s an instant freeze, but the AoE of the freeze is small. It’s pretty bad rn and doesn’t even hold a Calder before the day 9 (I think) nerfs. Even after it was slightly buffed it ain’t that great. Also, remove the limit to crystals created. Hunters don’t have a limit and neither do Titans. Just have it create one per enemy frozen even if they’re large. Also, I understand the turret is popular, but I’d much prefer it to shoot out one medium sized freezing bolt every few seconds. Warlocks shouldn’t have slowing advantages over Hunters. Warlocks also should have a shatter/movement ability. Since I think shatterdive should only slow targets, the warlocks should only shatter already frozen targets (not crystals). It could shatter frozen targets, but provide extra ability regen/energy for each enemy shattered. I’d imagine it to she similar to Icarus dash, but holding the staff like a true ice Wizard lol. More freezing. P.S: These are just my opinions and you don’t have to agree with me, and I’m not saying I’m right. Y’all are allowed your own opinions on how things should be, this is just my take given what Bungie said about the classes before BL launched. Thanks for reading and I hope you have an amazing day! EDIT: Fixed some stuff 💙💙

I’m so glad I can use void like a real player now 😄 Also I’m very glad silence and squall will be lowered out of the meta 😁 Even though I main stasis hunter I’m still glad.

its just the grenade thats the problem since its like a bomb when triggered to shatter, they can rework and tune it like the others and still make it good, The ability is fine really it has a very small radius so you have to be on or directly near the crystals in order to shatter them it has a 4 second cooldown and works like phoenix dive you need to be off the ground for it to activate. Not only does shatterdive not heal you or protect you but it leaves you open to major punishments. I’m sure anyone with a brain would know the ability is fine they just need to figure out how to tune the grenade or the aspect or fragments then boom peace is restored for the time being. Nerfing the ability again would only make the revenant subclass worthless, they would need to buff the melee for sure and make it deal more damage to compensate for an ability nerf. If shatterdive itself could kill without needing a frozen target or stasis crystal then by all means nerf it but if it requires a set up or a certain status effect to take place then really is it all that broken if its very limited? I know the community crybabies will get their way again but I just think a lot of players on here really need to play a little smarter and be a little smarter. I don’t care if anyone calls me a hunter crutch please save it, I’m not listening to players who can’t put 1 and 2 together.

shatterdive also has a bug atm where someone can be in the glacial gernade and when u shatterdive they take no damage

If I see a stasis wall come up I just back up to avoid the shatter dive

Problem isn’t shatterdive. It’s M&K macros that let you do it instantly.

It has been nerfed, twice already lol. The issue isn't shatterdive, it's the glacier wall nade. The nade forms the wall instantly, so people are throwing and diving at the same time, which gives them kills even though the wall is barely there. A solution to that is something I saw another poster say: add a delay/start up animation to the nade, kinda like how the lightening nade has one. If it took a sec or 2 before the wall was formed, that means no more throwing/diving at the same time. Also would give people a chance to move out the way.

Hopefully an actual nerf once bungie pulls their head out of their -blam!-

The shatterdove become the shatterdiver and so the cycle continues