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8/24/2021 11:08:19 PM
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Reading or not, he's right. If they done have a way to detect recoveries then there's nothing they can do. Unless they are monitoring everyone's IP addresses then im not sure how they'd even be able to tell if someone is doing a recovering. Their language sounds more like "this will get you banned but we dont have a way to detect it so please dont do it". I don't take PvP seriously anyways so i dont really care, but the recoveries statement sounds like its an empty threat imo
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When another IP logs onto a user's account, and say that the account is barely a 0.86 K/D in PvP, and then suddenly starts slaying out in Trials and goes flawless, something is definitely up. That is easily trackable, along with who this user plays with. Account recovers tend to play with their own tryhard friends a lot.
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[quote]When another IP logs onto a user's account, and say that the account is barely a 0.86 K/D in PvP, and then suddenly starts slaying out in Trials and goes flawless, something is definitely up. That is easily trackable, along with who this user plays with. Account recovers tend to play with their own tryhard friends a lot.[/quote] Agreed. The anomaly would be the player record vs behavior. I honestly feel the time it takes to look at flawless wins isn't that much. The triggers could easily prompt a report, and a staff member doesn't even have to watch, it could easily be all automated. But having an actual human reviewing before action is key, because sometimes anomalies simply happen..., like my first flawless back in D1 - just my son, and a clanmate on a typical Saturday. Didn't even care about flawless, just wanted Doctrine of Passing (wasn't trying for adept, just wanted to get it because I kept getting killed by it, lol). And ir just happened. Right place, right time. Not a skillful win. Things weren't serious until we won 5, then nobody said anything until 7th. It felt like a perfect game in MLB - nobody tells the pitcher anything! You'll jinx it!!!
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Streamers won’t be able to stream them which is good. They could track IP’s, I’m not sure. They’ve at least gone on record and stated they will issue bans so things must be in place. Win trading is easy to detect too.
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Yeh I’m not sure. I know they banned a streamer recently who was cheating on one account and not another but they banned both and cited it due to it being on the same IP. The best thing is you won’t see people streaming recovs.
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There was proof online so all they had to do was to ask Steam to check if IPs and MAC addresses match. But that was a specific case and must have been handled manually as these things won't show on their logs.
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[quote]Streamers won’t be able to stream them which is good. They could track IP’s, I’m not sure. They’ve at least gone on record and stated they will issue bans so things must be in place. Win trading is easy to detect too.[/quote] I play on several accounts (total 12, but most on only 5), and I travel. I bring consoles when I travel, sometimes family members join me, so we all login, sometimes swap controllers and play on each other's accounts. This method of IP tracking would have a negative effect on my playing experience, and I can play on as many profiles as I wish. I don't think Bungie would be able to setup an auto detect for that. Even in my own home, we have 3 providers, so depending on which console or PC I log into I could have 3 IPs. I believe, to be effective, there would have to be monitoring with an active monitor (person), and detect anomalies which could then prompt a review (triggered analytics event). Then start an investigation (including reports submitted by other players).
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I’ve never heard of anyone having 12 accounts they play on! That seems bonkers to me. I travel for work too, out the country for 6 months a year and I also use a couple of different playstations and I’m actually picking up a laptop today. I feel if your performance is consistent and you aren’t going flawless one day and can’t shoot the next, you’ll be fine.
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[quote]I’ve never heard of anyone having 12 accounts they play on! That seems bonkers to me. I travel for work too, out the country for 6 months a year and I also use a couple of different playstations and I’m actually picking up a laptop today. I feel if your performance is consistent and you aren’t going flawless one day and can’t shoot the next, you’ll be fine.[/quote] Yeah, apparently there are several of others I've learned about that have multiple profiles. Too many people here make way too many assumptions about others because they assume everyone else has the same mindset. I have that many profiles because I have a large gaming family, we would even load up a full raid team back in D1. The multiple profiles are also useful for accounting for the lack of optional matchmaking in low level strikes. If I want to play with just one other person, we start up a 3rd, and let the controller move just enough to prevent timeouts. Our experienced have been normal, just as others. We had several flawless runs back in D1, and early D2 (Trials of the Nine). Yeah, I'd say it's been consistent. If you have questions about how this works, just let me know.
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[quote]Questions on what sorry? I wouldn’t worry if I was you. It would be easy to see massive spikes in stats etc if you were having recovs etc so it should be fine.[/quote] My apologies. I was referring to your comment about being unfamiliar with playing multiple accounts. Please disregard. I agree with your reply about being able to spot anomalies. Just set threshold triggers that notify a group of people to more closely evamine behavior. It should be prettt easy. But there will be minor errors on both sides of the solution.
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[quote]Na you still have a history with your hardware IDs. Even with VPN.[/quote] Ah, so you're suggesting there could be like a "set" number of systems before a trigger, like a new login on a new system, followed by behavior/action - like new login on system followed by 0kd flawless run or something like that? Yeah, that could be helpful. It would have to be more than just signing in on a new device or new IP, because that could impact anyone when get a new PC (NIC), console, or move, or travel , etc... But I suppose if they (we) thought about it I'm sure they could come up with a way to identify acceptable behavior vs unacceptable (that stays within ToS). Just offering a counter perspective. Thanks for pointing our the consistent device ID, I forgot consoles had this (my head is in I/T clouds these days, both figuratively AND literally). I've learned over the past several years (won't specify how many) I hate phones, PCs, and Macs now. I could do fine with just my consoles from now on.
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I didn't know that streamers streaming recoveries was a thing tbh. Win trading does seem like it's easy enough to detect. Not sure if IP tracking is an option with VPNs being a thing. Then again idk a whole lot about that stuff in general lol
