Apparently I am considered a tryhard because I engage in Masters and GM content. Once you play enough hard games, you find its not that much harder. I bring off meta weapons all the time while balancing work and a love life. Its very possible for weekend warriors to engage in Masters content. We all are casuals in a sense. What you consider as "tryhards" just have more skill.

This is a very discretely hidden attack on how some players enjoy the game, hidden behind a legitimate complaint regarding how "try hards" often treat "casuals". The post assumes all try hards are going to take the game too seriously, going so far as to berate others for not playing the game in an "optimal" manner, and don't enjoy it simply because of the fact it's just a game (While the post never explicitly states this, it is an implicit claim present in the opening sentence that splits the player base in two down an ideological line, leaving no room for a middle ground). This is an equally toxic mindset to the strawman "All try hards can't just relax" mindset presented; A rather rare opinion and attitude for most players considered "try hards" to actually have. Why is the post's mindset equally toxic? Because it also berates a group of players for engaging the game in the manner which they prefer; taking it seriously and enjoying challenges and optimizing speed, dps, win rate, etc. Since we're giving messages that no one asked for, my message; Try Harders, don't treat other players like shit --- but also don't take shit from people who don't understand why you enjoy games in the first place.

Hi, casual here. It's true, but fortunately most what you call "try hards" post in LFG in the discord: "LF4M vog must know [insert whatever esoteric technique that enhances your dmg or takes a 10 min fight into 1 minute]" which is convenient because i know to avoid those since i generally dont know "the thing". It's a shame noone uses the guided feature for raids, but the sherpa channel in the d2 discord is more convenient anyways. sometimes i get mixed in with people that are super on edge about everyone putting out the maximum dmg their class can offer with the perfect spec, weapon, stats, etc... they're angry and loud so i just leave and find another group. there's plenty of groups with far more chill ppl in them. a majority dont really care. i'm what i'd call an okay player, i can definitely hold my own, but i don't try to master every esoteric technique for min/maxing... that sounds boring to me, but to each their own. surefire red flags in lfg for casuals: "dm raid report" "kwtd"

For pve meta, seriously, sometimes if you play with ppl that dont know the mechanics & dont got the meta weapons, its just impossible to finish the raid with the average time, you can try & try but you can get stuck in the same point without any soluction until the player who is not doing the good job leave. I played this game since D1, & you cant give a try to a person who dont watch the video on internet, dont want to do anything, just say: Oh, please dont let me do this because I dont know how to do it. That pass for example during the VoG Atheon, please dont make me shoot the oracles since I dont know how to do it (WTF???). If you enjoy 3 hours playing the raid, nice, good for you, many of us have got jobs, or exams or want to go out or whatever... Raid is meta, for meta, you need to have meta goals.

Both groups ruin each others fun, however it's only the casuals that are on the forum posting about how it's 'just a game man'. It's in fact, so unimportant that you logged into the forum to talk about it when you weren't even playing it. I think perhaps there is more to the average 'casual' than meets the eye.

Or.... Everyone could not overcompensate for dumb shit and log onto a forum at 3 am to be a dick. That's a fresh idea that no one's tried.

Honestly, I’d rather play with older players (35+). From my experience older gamers just want to shoot shit. They don’t care if you miss a call out in the raid or if you make a dumb decision in trials, to us OGz that’s funny. We laugh dust ourselves off and try again

Only siths deal in absolutes

Die a casual or live longer enough to see yourself become the try hard. That is all pvp games 😬

Good job you just fixed the game, I never knew that telling tryhards to relax would actually work!!!

I’m starting to think that most the posts like this have nothing to do with try hards. Usually it’s just low skilled players getting beat by average players lol.

Casuals aren't engaging in endgame.

[quote]no need to run the same stuff over and over again[/quote] You know what’s the side effect of RNG is?

Some people don’t want to spend 2 hours doing a raid that takes half an hour. Not saying that okays some of those assholes behaviour but when someone’s made the same mistake 9 times in a row and still isn’t getting it they’re being the asshole now especially when they join a KWTD post and haven’t got the slightest clue. I’ve been both a casual and a hardcore throughout this franchises time die to school and relationships and there’s merits to being both kinda of player. But being one doesn’t mean you can’t be the other. I’ve lfg’ do to a colossal amount of raid groups over the years where it’s a try hard bunch that wants to get shit done but by the end we’re all laughing and cracking jokes. Honestly why I love lfg. Meat a lot of people through it and with over 6 years of lfg experience under the belt I’ve matched with 2 assholes in like 200+ raids

tl;dr Dear Bungie, I want to be able to win without having to try.

I honestly think the two groups deserve each other because they create each other like Batman and the Joker.