Shotsguns have been the plauge, have we gotten so numb to them that we forgot?

They have a 1 second ttk…

Auto meta was the best imo

All handcannons should be range capped to max 25m ... good midrange choices on the maps we have in rotation

make them 110's again. there is no reason to use another class of HC.

But why not just use a hand cannon and have fun? They're very fun to play with.

Disclaimer- i liked what OP wrote, not some responses lately, this isn't directed at OP, but responders here and whiney posts. Wow- you guys never learn when it comes to Usage Data (Bungie has) + Any form of Community Outcry = [b][u]Big Fat Nerf[/u][/b] Bungie has the usage data already Anything that is used the most will be put down into dust. Any form of outcry- even asking for small tweaks? It will result in nerf to the ground in both modes- then some random nerf to something else. I wouldn't mind a meta shift. But if I see a "nerf hc pls" turn into "wow you guys overdid it, Jesus why you nerf bungo?' Posts? If I see that like I did with nova warp, oem, stasis, autos and more?. Then the problem is now the community and not bungie. Im in multiple other gaming community forums- this is the only one that asks for the game to cater to them only and not the majority. This is the only forum that legit goes back on what they ask for. The proof is in forum history- I am not going to link every post here. Just read threads from the past year and a half. It is effin crazy. We as a community need to stop complaining, yes 120s are in a big spot rn. Bungie has the effin data for it. Just like Bungie is going to justify the nerf to TTD warlocks due to win % so will 120s see their day. After that another gun archetype will rise and start dominating. Posts will come through saying [b][u]120s kept so and so gun in check, now pvp is even more unbalanced[/u][/b] And so on. 120s are crazy, but I've seen other archetypes do better but they just aren't used because people tend to gravitate towards what they see others effin using. The gun play and sandbox is nice rn- [b][u]play your range instead, don't give me the I cAnT ClOooSsEeee GaaAaaP cause 120[/u][/b], ive seen numerous people do it and they play [b][u]at their guns effective range[/u][/b]. Let bungie do the nerfs when they want, cause when community pitches in- for some odd ass reason- they nerf the damn thing way too hard and [b][u]you guys will complain.[/u][/b] I've seen it happen here way too much. Instead of dying a few times in pvp and coming here- can you [b][u]effin get gud?[/u][/b]

It appears you guys need a lesson in history of the metas in the past few years. Those of you who think 120 meta is the worst thing in the world, you have absolutely no idea what an oppressive meta is. Let's go back one year, these 600 auto rifle meta. You know, the meta that was so oppressive because 600 autos could shoot across the map in outgunned literally every other gun with its ridiculously fast TTK? Compare that to the 120 meta, where the only way for you to get that TTK is with a damage boost, which you could argue that is a peripheral that needs adjusting, not the gun itself. Let's go back even further. 150 meta. Spare rations. The hand cannon to wear, arguably you had to be a little closer, but you had a hand cannon that had a hundred aim assist and rapid hit. You didn't miss. There was no way you could miss. Comparison to 120s? I would widely argue that those were easier to shoot. 120s have better forgiveness, but against a 150? Nah. Now let's go back even further. The mountaintop era. Jesus. Christ. As much fun as that weapon was, that weapon absolutely broke PVP. It was literally a rocket launcher with special ammo. You did not miss. Comparison 120? Not even close. Now let's go back even further. To the time where special weapons just were reintroduced back to the game. I am talking about the time where it was a dark day for anybody that was not good in PVP. A time where two weapons ruled, absolutely ruled all of PVP and if you did not have one of these two... You were meat. I know. I have 8,000 kills on my Luna's Howl. About 3,000 on my not forgotten. There was no hope during this era for any other weapon. You were dead before you could think. If you weren't killed in 0.67 seconds, you were killed in 0.4 because magnificent howl sometimes kicked in to allow these to God weapons to two tap. So before you sit here and say that 120s are the worst meta in existence, sit down and actually think about where we have been in the past,. In actuality, while 120s are very strong, they are not strong because they have a faster TTK. They are stronger because of its peripherals and it's versatility. That's why they're so strong. The peripherals are tuned, 120s become less strong. Bigger maps, less damage boost, like removing high energy fire from PVP. The weapon itself? Compared to the other weapons, this is probably the most balanced state PVP has ever been in in terms of its weapons. Of course barring shotguns. But we're not going to go into those.

[quote]but this 120 meta is by far the most infuriating meta next to the 600 rpm auto rifle meta...please bungie let us have the weapons we want to have and enjoy be relevant in Pvp.[/quote] IOW, you just hate metas. Because if you think that 120s are the most infuriating meta that this game----or any other game---has ever had, you have led a rather sheltered gaming life. The worst meta that this franchise ever saw was the final meta in Destiny 1. It was so bad that people quit Crucible in droves. I call it the "sidearm-fusion grenade meta." Bungie created it when they took away special ammo from a players on spawn in order to prepare us for dual primaries in Destiny 2. You didnt' spawn with any special...and you lost whatever special you had when you died. So people spent large amounts of time with no special ammo in PvP. This had three really nasty side-effects on play. 1. Play began to center around getting access to special ammo. Trials matches literally wouldn't start until special ammo spawned in. People would just camp in their spawns and wait rather than play without it. 2. Sidearms were special ammo weapons back then, but were exempt from the new rules. So people would either equip sidearms at spawn and then swap to a shotgun or sniper to transfer the ammo.....use sidearms.....or use weapons like Ice Breaker or No Land Beyond (primary ammo sniper) to get around the restrictions. (No Land Beyond, sidearm was a very popular Trials loadout). 3. Then there was were fusion grenades..... The removal of special ammo left a huge gap in the game play that players were left without any effective short-range defense. So (because fusion grenades were a OHK back then) people figured out that it was an efficient way to play to simply RUN at people.....hit them with a fusion grenade....and then just RUN AWAY. If you had shotgun ammo....it was a kill trade. If you didn't have special ammo....it was a guarenteed win. Because nothing in the arsenal could kill fast enough for you to put down the person who did this before the grenade went off and killed you. The result was this TILT-INDUCING, no-risk/high-reward play style, where people made absolutely NO effort to engage in any sort of combat. An even more crazy-making version of this play style emerged where you'd get people crouching in corners...so they'd disappear off your radar. Then they'd just tag you with a fusion grenade as you went by. Again, NO possible counter if you didn't have a shotgun and ammo for it. Which is why I am CRINGING at the thought of letting Bungie mess around with the special ammo economy again. Because the current meta is Heaven-On-Earth compared to how bad this game has been in the past.

Mountaintop recluse was easily worse than this meta

We've been in a shotgun meta going on three years now and we're arguing about primaries being too strong.