[quote]The counter is literally backing out of 15 meters, my guy. Or killing the opponent before the 0.78 second long charge time, which isn't hard to do with an SMG or proper positioning with a shotgun. I'm sorry that your positioning sucks and you want to not be punished for it, but Bastion is more than fine post-nerf.[/quote] It kills up to 18 meters, with a consistent range of 17. The “nerf” did almost nothing to it. The charge time isn’t long. Anyone who knows how to use cover is going to be fine charging it. The only counter to it is not fighting it, which isn’t a counter. Again, I get that they’re your crutches, but use some rational thinking.

Rational thinking dictates that it's still the lowest range Fusion Rifle with the same charge time as a Liquid Coils Precision, which is among the slowest of the weapon type. And it has multiple counters within 17 meters in; - Last Word (4 hit kill with it is still faster than the charge, IIRC) - 900 or 750 RPM SMGs, IIRC both archetypes kill faster than the charge. - Suros Regime, since Spinning Up kills faster than the charge. - Chaperone, since even a double body kills faster than the charge, and it's got ~4 meters less range without Roadborn, ~1 with. - Any pellet shotgun playing better positioning, since you've got 0.78 seconds to make your move. - High Impact Pulses, namely Cold Denial kill much quicker on the 2-burst I'm sincerely sorry you're not a flexible enough player to not just play into the hands of Fusion Rifles, but none of them are overpowered, including Bastion.

[quote]Rational thinking dictates that it's still the lowest range Fusion Rifle with the same charge time as a Liquid Coils Precision, which is among the slowest of the weapon type. And it has multiple counters within 17 meters in; - Last Word (4 hit kill with it is still faster than the charge, IIRC) - 900 or 750 RPM SMGs, IIRC both archetypes kill faster than the charge. - Suros Regime, since Spinning Up kills faster than the charge. - Chaperone, since even a double body kills faster than the charge, and it's got ~4 meters less range without Roadborn, ~1 with. - Any pellet shotgun playing better positioning, since you've got 0.78 seconds to make your move. - High Impact Pulses, namely Cold Denial kill much quicker on the 2-burst I'm sincerely sorry you're not a flexible enough player to not just play into the hands of Fusion Rifles, but none of them are overpowered, including Bastion.[/quote] Spoken like a true crutch. Kinda sad how much denial you got. Anyone with thumbs knows how to use cover and precharge. The only counter to a bastion is to not engage one at all, which is hardly a counter. There’s a reason why fusions have much higher kill to usage ratios than other weapons.

"Someone playing around the downside of their gun and me not listening for the really loud sound of it makes a gun OP!" I literally named most of the counters to Bastion, if someone minimizes them, like a shotgunner forcing close encounters, or a sniper making sure they shoot before the flinch. I just think you need to improve your game.

[quote]"Someone playing around the downside of their gun and me not listening for the really loud sound of it makes a gun OP!" I literally named most of the counters to Bastion, if someone minimizes them, like a shotgunner forcing close encounters, or a sniper making sure they shoot before the flinch. I just think you need to improve your game.[/quote] It’s funny to look at your matches. The matches where you’re using a fusion, show you getting a much higher amount of kills with your fusion than your primary. Of course my matches where I use a fusion shows the same. They’re extremely to crutch off of. Keep defending that crutch.

Considering you don't use Fusions, and crutch HC + Shotgun... That's hardly a good statement to make, have a nice day. And try using Fusions for a while, I guaruntee you'll change your tune.

Your posts are always insightful with good info. Thanks for sharing. Clearly you have experience. I can tell. No joke.