I agree that recovs are a big issue with trials. On one hand, you would be matching good players anyway regardless of if they are on their mains or someone else's account, but on the other hand they 100% would not be playing on their mains as much as they play on recovs. Some people spend 40+ hours a weekend doing recovs, and if you think they would spend that much playing on their mains you are delusional. It is undeniable that it oversaturates the playerbase with people who would not be playing otherwise. The thing is, it is a huge grey area and a nearly impossible issue to solve. For one, there is zero correlation with recovs and twitch, so you cant say "twitch should ban them". This would do nothing because probably 90% of recovs are done off stream. People dont realize that it is not only streamers who do recovs, in fact streamers do them less than a lot of others do. Additionally, you can't simply IP lock accounts and ban people for letting other people go on them. No game in the history of ever has ever had this sort of system because letting friends go on your account has been a thing since the beginning of time. It is not worth implementing this to "fix" trials, and ruining it for everyone else who just wants a friend to hop on while they're away and buy an eververse item or something. It is out of the question to ban people for trading accounts. So it ends up being a matter of constituting what is considered to be a recov, to the point where it is detrimental to the experience of others. Can you only play on someone else's account for PvE, with PvP constituting a ban? Are we banning people for having a sudden spike in PvP stats? There is no cold hard way of dictating this. The one thing bungie could do that actually would help the issue is cease and desist all of the big recov sites. This is within their legalities and is a very feasible and realistic thing to do and would have a significant impact.

Ghost lobbies affect trials much more than recovs. I prefer bungie preventing ghost lobbies while retroactively punishing guilty players before figuring out how to ban recovs.

Back in the day everyone did “carries” …. I’m not sure why it changed.

They could easily watch streams for 2 weekends. Get accts for both sides. Buyer and player. Email both saying that next time this is done, both accts will be suspended. This would cut it in half.

People who hand over their accounts to complete strangers are brain dead morons and deserve to be banned from the platform not just the game.

Twitch should ban people doing it.

So you wouldn’t have an issue with them killing you on their own account? Whether it’s theirs or someone else’s they will still be killing you. Youre just upset you thought you had a easy win and got your ass handed to you.

Not like they can see IP logs......oh wait they can

Start with Luckyy

Like I said before, trial matchmaking is trash and they can fix this problem easily by this: 1- You can only do flawless only once with each guardian in the normal trial. (To fix deleting guardian and create a new one, they can do it three-time per account ) 2- After you did flawless once with one guardian, you can not play the normal trial with that same guardian. A new matchmaking for trial is now available. There, the only players who did flawless once with their guardian can compete. you can play with a team of 3,2 or alone and get matched with other players.

[quote]Hear me out here, I don’t care that the way you make your living is by carrying people, I don’t care you get paid to play basically, I don’t even care that you farm wins. I care that you are playing on someone else’s account, basically getting free wins and then ruining the experience of the game for everyone you play against while doing so. I mean this in the rudest way possible, if you do recovs I truly hope you get account banned for the rest of the livelihood of this game. It’s not cool, it’s not fun for anyone else BESIDES you. Not to mention it’s technically against TOS. So really they should be banning you all anyways. Get mad at me all you want, you just don’t wanna play against sweats non-stop so you stoop down to the level of 1.2’s and 1.3’s, maybe even lower than that. It’s pathetic and should start being punished with bans. If this never happens, trials will never truly be fun again.[/quote] LOLz, I call bullshit on you stance and carries and making money off of this game. Obviously, you cared enough to cry about it here. It would be easier for you to pull your head out of your ass, take a deep breath of reality and realize at the end of the day, it’s just a video game. What is pathetic is whining and crying over your bruised self proclaimed trials god ego. I bet your go to excuse to a loss is, “it was a recovery run.” Don’t worry, once you grow up and actually live life on your own, you will realize, at the end of the day, it’s just a video game.

Sorry but the problem is not with recovs. The problem is with the people who pay for them. There is absolutely NOTHING bungie can do about recovs, how will they tell if a player logged in on their own account from elsewhere or if thier family member wanted to try their God roll × or if a recov logged in? They can't, so they won't ban anyone. Cheaters and those who play with them deserve bans. Legitimate players playing on others account for them do not.

Imagine getting mad at someone for chasing the bag 💰

[quote] I care that you are playing on someone else’s account, I truly hope you get account banned for the rest of the livelihood of this game. It’s not cool, it’s not fun for anyone else BESIDES you. [/quote] You're very petty. It doesn't matter where they play, you face these players and you'll get stomped regardless. The only difference? Someone you don't know is paying for you to get stomped on. There's nothing you can do about that. These players don't care, don't waste your energy on it. I don't think [i]fun[/i] was part of the business transaction. They are playing to get paid. These players want money because other players are willing to pay for the game [i]and[/i] pay someone to play for them. Advice? Mind ya business and just play the game. There's 0 you're going to do about it and 0 Bungie is going to do about it.

Never as it’s almost impossible to determine who the actual culprit is sure you can ban a few scrubs who can’t get gms done. But it won’t stop the god lord from finding a new victim/sucker/customer to use his talents again. I could see it being as bad as live/hardware recoveries if they simply start banning accounts. No way to tell if your homie beat that raid for you on your own system.

1. If you see someone offering recoveries paid or otherwise on Bungie.net use the report system to inform the Ninjas. 2. It is against ToS to give away private data (your passwords) to anyone by doing so you face the consequences of doing so (see point 3.) And no one be it Bungie or your platform's provider will do anything to help you because you did. 3. On the #Help forum we see the results of recoveries and paid carries every day. Accounts banned for cheating. Characters deleted. Accounts stolen to be sold on eBay. And more and more often as people also have started to give out Bungie.net account details as well strange platform accounts linked permanently to yours. To those who read this and allow recoveries remember it is not just your Destiny data at risk but EVERYTHING on your account... more so as a lot of people now have bank details attached.

Honestly recoveries are just not that big of a problem IMO. Trials isn’t sbmm, so they aren’t getting easier people because they are on another account.

I mean considering trials is win based, you’re going to face them eventually. Are you also the type to complain about game 5-7? cause that’s where the real sweat is

Blame the players that pay for recovs, not the players that offer the service.

I sometimes help my brother out with quests and pvp stuff. Should I be banned as well?

Start with the dirty win-traders first, then work on the people getting recovs. What criteria would be required to ban someone for “recoveries”?