As a Hunter main, take an upvote. Top tree dawn is fine imo. High skill ceiling but rewards those who put the work in.

"Boo hoo warlock nerf" lol get over it.

Sorry but icarus dash needs to go down to only one dash then activating a cool down

Agree with OP taking away what little warlocks have left will all but kill the class especially for me it’s tough to compete with all the tricks of the trade hunters have there is some serious class bias going on in the dev department which needs to drastically stop NOW ! Balance is the main focus here so bloody balance things . Shade step gets abused a bit too much if you wanna go at it ! Nothing more infuriating than a hunter dodging to safety at a minuscule of health and be able to dodge away again so easily if losing yet again to a gun/ability fight . Hunters and Titans have the have the best Super/ability exotic harmony In the game a lot of warlock ones don’t really help PVP at all. In short stop making warlocks the support class the y need to be more offensive than defensive for super play and should be able to stand up better in PVP situations. Needing the top tree daw blade is a bullshit move just to make a already slow class slower so that hunters and Titans have the upper hand with mobility Buff the mobile of warlocks slow as snail balls ! Wanna nerf something nerf bloody titan mobility speed for a table class they move as fast as hunters do if not faster. The crucible maps can’t handle this speed as they are small and cramped. Make bigger maps if this shall continue

As a titan main Warlock = NOT OP

Bungie logic "Hey, skillful players are making the most of this high skill ceiling subclass.....better nerf it" Smh

I love how as soon as stasis is gone, hunters start losing their minds and crying foul ball despite their bullshit for the past year.

We are listening.... to the hunters.

BUNGO HATES WARLOCKS! They must have heard bout some whiny Hunter that got killed in Trials by some lone Warlock. If they have even the slightest chance of F'ing us over they do it ultra to hard. Never mind that Hunter stasis grenades STILL last way to long compared to all other grenades. But Bungo caters to Hunters sooooo :(

The Destiny developer who said it is too strong is a warlock main and even said he’d love to keep it the way it is but it’s just too powerful. It’s getting nerfed and it needs it.

The little -blam!- hunter mains, and some titan mains don't find it fair. But hunters are so balanced. Yeah, their revenant and shatterdive is so fair. At least titans were good. Now they suck. Edit: Stompees.

Im all for an icarus dash nerf if theyre addressing mobility as a whole aka stompees on hunters

I agree with OP. Hunters/Bungie are naive to their ability to be extremely annoying with shade step in the crucible.

Hunters movement and get invisibility - that’s what needs nerfed. Invisibility in pvp is a joke and the reason no one mentions it is because everyone is a hunter .. hunters are broken that’s why they’re the most used clsss in pvp period

Just take away Icarus dash and it will be in a good spot

If titan skating was nerfed than warlocks should not be able to do hyper dashes.

Celestial fire does too much damage. Everything else is fine

Personally I feel like if warlocks were given more options, than top tree dawnblade wouldn't be an issue. I mean think about it, when was the last time you saw bottom tree dawnblade in the crucible or even in pve? I personally can't. Now why is that? Oh I don't kno-.. wait a minute... it's because for the most part, it has little to nothing going for it, not to mention that it doesn't even hold a candle to top tree. Now I am not saying we should make bottom tree akin to top tree, I am just saying that if bottom tree was to be revamped and given its own strengths and weaknesses, it would be more viable. This all comes down to viability. The reason why a lot of people don't use certain things is because they aren't as viable as the best things. If for example, you give a person a choice between a new computer with new parts and everything, and an old computer with older parts, which one do you think the person is going to choose assuming they know the differences, and the choice is of no cost to them? Of course it will be the new one because it's much more viable than the older one. Now, if we were to get the older one and revamp it, update the parts and all, now, we have two viable options, albeit it with their own strengths and weaknesses. Maybe one has an intel processor, and the second one has an amd one. Or maybe one has a nvidia graphics card while the other one has Radeon one or something. You see what I mean? Viability is key. You give people an actual choice, and all of a sudden you see more diversity. This can and ( should also) be applied to PvE. Double shotguns aren't a problem, the way the encounters in raids are designed is the problem. Maybe, just maybe, if MOST of our fights (Apart from Garden of Salvation) against the raid boss(es) weren't in close quarters, we would see a lot of other weapons shine. Pair that with actual engaging mechanics and not simply collecting and dumping motes or something and all of a sudden you get a fun and an engaging encounter, or encounters for that matter. In conclusion, you can't keep putting a lolipop on the table and then subsequently complaining that someone keeps taking that lolipop. Maybe, just maybe, if you were to put out a few other types of candy, all of a sudden you'd see other candies being taken as well, and not just the lolipop. Edit: Btw, this doesn't only apply to warlocks.