bungie requires it to reach base 1310, or you get a dozen pinacle boots and never that helmet you really need.

Because it’s actually much more fun than the boring redundant grind of pve. Getting kills in pve doesn’t feel rewarding like it does in pvp

I agree with predators dude, you usually play PvP because you like it, and it kinda never going get boring cuz you usually playing different games/map etc. not like PvE.

The friends you make along the way is reason enough.

Simple: if you enjoy it play it, if you don't like it play something else.

I guess it depends on if you like pvp or if you want to get better. I can anecdotally tell you that when I started destiny (my first ever fps), I hated pvp and avoided it like the plague. But I would jump in when the rewards were good enough, especially Iron Banner (back in D1). I played enough that eventually I wasn't cannon fodder. Then I actually started getting good. Now I'm usually at the top of the leader board in 6s and I can hold my own and contribute meaningfully in comp. Crucible is my favorite and I spend probably 80% of my time there. You might not have the exact same experience, but if there's any part of you that feels like maybe someday you could enjoy crucible or you might enjoy it if you got more kills/died less, then play some- as much as you can handle before you get frustrated. A little at a time you'll improve. Find a fire team and play together- even if you just use an lfg on this app. Many good players who want to stack up won't even care if you're good. They just want the stack. Even if you load in as a blueberry, walk around with other players on your team. Don't go off on your own. Stay behind cover and right next to it- not out in the open or the middle of the room. Open yourself up to just one angle at a time. Stick near the outside of the map if you're not familiar with it. Find one weapon that's in the meta that you can play even decently with and stick with it. Use stasis because it's broken- forget anyone who says anything bad to you about it. Bungie broke it- if you're a lower level player, don't handicap yourself by not using it. Finally, set some goals for yourself. Bungie has not done a good job of giving goals/progression to pvp players, but you can set them yourself. Every game see if you can get a higher kd or one more kill or one less death than your last game. Check your stats on destiny tracker and watch them slowly go up a little at a time. Try playing during Iron Banner. The rewards are actually worthwhile and usually they give triple Valor, so you'll progress toward that golf ball faster. Edit: just checked your stats and you're a good player already... I guess at this point play it if you enjoy it and don't if you don't. By now you have a good idea of what it's like at different levels of skill. I still stand by playing with a team and making goals for yourself though. Those make all the difference day in and day out.

You do you. Play it if you like it Don’t if you dont. It is after all just a game.

You should play pvp if it's fun to you.

[quote]Give me a reason to grind this please. I would love to reset my rank and get a golf ball instead of another shitttt exotic with terrible stat roll. Give us a grind worth our time[/quote] Nah that's silly. You get a golf ball from the first valor legend rank and that should be it. A crucible game is no more challenging than a strike and is rewarded as such. Mostly blues with the occasional purple. Its a core activity and shouldn't really reward anything end game worthy.

You should play PvP because you enjoy it.

Do you not play PvP just for fun? You don't need to see if as a grind if you're enjoying yourself.

I’ll play pvp without a loot incentive, but i understand if people don’t feel the same way. With that said, i hate how the powerful engram for the main ranks is gone after you’ve reset your valor, 100% of the armor you get from the regular rank ups has a trash roll.... I like the way some of the gear looks with the year one ornaments but you have very limited chances of getting decent rolls when the powerful engram is not there, once a week per character from the milestone and thats it.

Would like to get more golf balls but dread pvp because i get killed over and over and over lol