Keep it heavy for pvp sake.

Maybe they can just make a Charged with light mod for them. Something similar to lucent blade. Then again they say Izanagi still out damages it. And thats a special... It definatly needs to feel like its a heavy

Whisper? Oh u mean black hammers -blam!- little brother

Blame datto and the other toxic streamers for whispers situation. Kids complained and look what happened to it. It’s still a shame that content creators are, despite last season, are STILL the only people they listen to. The fact they entice the classic hive mind mentality with all their fans who apparently don’t know how to think for themselves is a classic case of people with influence abusing their power over others. Classic.

I feel like it functions fine as a heavy. Not every exotic needs a game breaking perk that makes it immediately meta. Right before BL, it was THE gun for taking out scourge boss (1 phase every time as long as everyone was quick to CAP places). The issue is twofold. 1. Bungo keeps launching ridiculous weapons with absurd perks that break the game, which makes their more conservative exotic approach seem worthless when it's really just less flashy and/or requires more skill (Xeno, Anarchy, and Lament don't even require hitting crit to deal great damage. It's literally free DPS with no skill required other than actually landing the shot). 2. They keep giving us absurd weapons in the energy and kinetic slots that shouldn't be there to make heavy weapons feel less powerful by comparison. Jotunn, Izanagi's Burden, Salvager's Salvo, slug shotguns (which deal more boss when paired with anarchy than any other load out, period). Mountaintop was on that list when it wasn't sunset. Arbelast will be there until it's eventual nerf. Whack a mole weapons that do crazy damage and require very little skill to use (sans Izanagi's because sprint canceling is hard to learn) Cuz this conversation is larger than Whisper. Linear Fusions, most rocket launchers, Acrius, Sleeper Simulant, machine guns, most swords, and all non spike nade grenade launchers are absolutely worthless in the heavy slot compared to contemporary heavies like Xenophage, Anarchy, and Lament. To a lesser extent you can add Eyes of Tomorrow (the undisputed master of add rocket launcher add clear), Falling Guillotine (still the best DPS during Last Wish with whirlwind blade), and 1K Voices (still great for warlocks in GoS). Maybe Wardcliff Coil in PvP. Very nearly everything else is absolutely useless. Whisper is on that list as are the other weapons I mentioned. Frankly, Bungo could stand to make either currently meta heavies slightly less viable to make others more useful or make less useful heavies better with a buff. But no, you can one phase raid bosses (Scourge, Morgeth in Last Wish) with Whisper (and two phase a couple of others like EOW boss, Harpy in GoS w/divinity), it shouldn't go in an energy or kinetic slot. That's insane, it does heavy weapon damage, it just got power creeped.

Why is it called Heavy weapons anyway?... I mean why is a sword a heavy weapon?... You can practically swing it all over the place. Some swords have the ability to let you spin around like a top! That ain't heavy! 😂😂😂 Neither is a sniper! Heck, you can carry it in primary, then why is it heavy?... 😂😂😂 Logic! 💩!

It's fine where it's at. It's still top tier DPS, just situationally so. Now if we wanna move a heavy, that DARCI is a serious candidate.

I don't care what anyone says, snipers don't belong in the heavy slot period. Bungie's system is stupid on how they have it set up in D2 and the reason it's set up the way it is, just like the stats and mods is to have control over the player. Got a question since some of you think this company knows what they are doing when it comes to "balancing the game making adjustments". How the hell does any company create a weapon nerf it and by the 3rd time nerf it for the same reason and not know prior to bringing it back it wasn't going to be an issue? Black Hamm, Black Spindle, and Whisper were nerfed because of the same issue in the game. That right there shows me the manipulation/games this company plays when selling DLC. Personally, i'm tired of the games this company plays using D1 weapons as a carrot and later nerfing it instead of adjusting it to their watered-down game. This is why I don't want D1 weapons in this game, as if the sandbox didn't -blam!- up enough weapons in D1 as it was over nerfing the entire game.

Can someone link me to the sniper nerfs? I can't find it. Edit: Nevermind, found it. From what I got from this nerf, bungie nerfed most of the popular long range options to discourage camping. Which is hilarious because all it did was cause everyone to grab the best swords and use that instead. They just don't want to go back and change the raids so they don't punish short ranged weapons as much.

They should do something like this, but not quite. Whisper, 1K, and Tractor Cannon should stay as Heavies. Whisper should receive a damage boost (PvE and pvp) that allows it to one shot body in the crucible, but reduce its ammo drop to 1 shot. 1K should get an increase to reserves as well as direct stick explosion damage. Tractor should also deal even more damage itself to targets weakened by its blasts. These weapons break the mold for a lot of things, and, by keeping them heavy, their effects and power can be tuned as such. Acrius and Darci should be moved to the special weapon slot. Acrius wouldn’t need much of a change and Darci would just need a tweak to its targeting effect in pvp. Other weapon types need buffs: [spoiler]Fusion Rifles: - Increase Major and Ultra damage in PvE - Increase reserve ammo - Improve shot grouping for Adaptive, Rapid Fire, and Precision Frames. - Reduce charge time (while keeping damage the same) for Rapid Fire and Adaptive frames. Trace Rifles: - Increase precision damage for all except divinity. - Increase Divinity’s Penance damage. - Increase reserve capacity for all. - Add separate mods for Trace rifles. - Maybe add legendary traces. Linear Fusions: - Increase precision damage multiplier. (Needs the rocket launcher treatment). This would apply to all except arbalest, but Sleeper and Queenbreaker would have to be tuned separately. Machineguns: - Increase damage to Majors. - Reduce the kick on rapid Fire frames a little bit more. - Increase precision damage multiplier slightly for High Impact frames. Precision SMG’s: - Increase the Mag size a little. Idk Scouts: - Slightly increase precision damage multiplier [/spoiler]

So many exotic power weapons are not used. Should they all be moved to energy slot? Should all unused exotic energy weapons be moved to primary or power slot? No. No and No. I am happy that I still have 2 Snipers in the power slot. Even more varity is gone if you move all snipers to the energy slot. The varity in the power slot is aweful already as it is. It should not be xenophage all day. Thats boring AF.