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All content that [b]can[/b] support a Fireteam [b]should[/b] include matchmaking. This includes Raids and any other group content deemed "too complicated" by the crowd that thinks walking and chewing gum is a difficult task. Since Bungie seems hellbent on refusing to do this, they should at least have the decency to put in a way to find a group in-game that isn't just loading up the Tower and spamming people relentlessly. Leave it to Bungie to make a game that they keep telling you is multiplayer, but then don't put in the systems to make it adequately so. Having to open up a phone app, or the internet on my desktop, and find people through their website that Bungie doesn't visit anymore or go to some other 3rd-party site is not an adequate replacement no matter how many times the Defense Force says it is.
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  • Optional matchmaking for raids will have a very low success rate, which in return will more than likely be having Bungie simplify raids in order for a higher success rate. Personally, I don’t want raids easier. You clearly don’t raid much, which is why you don’t look at it from this perspective. If someone can physically make a post, or reply to one of my recruitment posts, it shows they’re pretty committed. Random players matchmaking won’t give you those results for an activity that requires timing and communication. Now other activities that don’t require so much cooperation, sure optional matchmaking all day, but raids are a little trickier.

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  • They won't though. Every other real MMO in existence has a matchmaking feature for raiding. I've done some of the harder raids in FFXIV with match made groups. Sure, you're going to have to be patient, people will leave if the run starts bad, or you leave, but you can always requeue to find a better team.

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  • Yeee but difference is we have Bungie as the developer lol. They care about those success rates, which is why they adjust things throughout the game to help inflate those numbers!

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  • Should it have a high success rate? It could just be there to have a stupid time, or maybe find people to do ot with one by one.

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  • Yep raids would be a disaster tbh blam! That discord or maybe get lucky with lfg 👌

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  • WoofinAintEazyにより編集済み: 2/21/2021 7:02:29 PM
    I mean I get it why people want it, but I’ve also seen what Bungie has done to activities that had a low success rate with random matchmaking. The only thing I can see working with decent success is some sort of in game lfg system that provides a checklist for groups.

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  • I did lots of raiding in D1. Haven't touched a single raid in D2 because they're jank, and most of the people I used to run with in D1 quit about a year into D2. Put away the strawman. If you honestly believe people going through LFG sites are more "committed" because they spent 30 seconds doing a search or listing their character, you're a naive fool. Those people in LFG are just as clueless as headless chickens begging for carries. The only difference between people on LFG sites and people in matchmaking is how quickly they find a group.

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  • WoofinAintEazyにより編集済み: 2/21/2021 7:03:11 AM
    [quote] If you honestly believe people going through LFG sites are more "committed" because they spent 30 seconds doing a search or listing their character, you're a naive fool. Those people in LFG are just as clueless as headless chickens begging for carries. The only difference between people on LFG sites and people in matchmaking is how quickly they find a group.[/quote] Well when I put down specific requirements, and those who join follow those requirements, and vice versa when I join them, then ya that’s a pretty obvious sign they’re more committed than someone who doesn’t do that and jumps on random matchmaking hoping for the best lol. Been so long since you’ve raided that you’ve become blind to the obvious. And I’m the fool.... [spoiler][quote] I did lots of raiding in D1[/quote]I just had to look...wouldn’t consider a dozen raids “lots” of raiding. Glad you got such a strong opinion on something you don’t do. [/spoiler]

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  • You assume I'm talking about this account and you go out of your way to search up play history to confirm your idiotic opinion, but yeah, [b]I'm[/b] the fool. People like you are always the same: you have no point to make so you resort to attacking the person instead of the argument. Just for the record, not that it really matters, but I didn't do that much VoG. Not because it was hard, mind you, as the times I did do it weren't particularly challenging, but because the people I played with at the time had zero interest in running it. I never did get my Mythoclast, and that trend repeated itself in Crota's End, a raid I routinely solo'd JUST to finish Necrochasm (but never got the required drop). King's Fall I did a fair amount of, and at least I got the raid weapon there since it was a quest that time around. But of course, back then, you could never get a group if you didn't have Gjallarhorn, a weapon I never got until Xur sold it the 2nd time (I wasn't there for the first time it was on offer). All of this is moot, though. The point is that Destiny raids aren't that complicated. After a group goes in blind to figure out the mechanics and that information spreads, all the mystery and difficulty goes away. Look at DSC: people are routinely blasting through the place today despite how "difficult" it was during the release Challenge Mode due to having higher Power Levels and the actual mechanics, once discovered, weren't hard to execute. Despite all this, when my raid teams had to fill the last slot or two from LFG they almost invariably played like they had no thumbs and would constantly whine about how things were "taking too long" or we "had to go get Black Spindle" or any other kind of arbitrary requirement to offset their utter lack of desire to do anything but stand around. The raids themselves weren't hard, but the people playing Destiny are some of the laziest, entitled people I've had the displeasure of dealing with and I did 40-man raids where nearly half the raid was functionally AFK. Those people, again, were from LFG. Their attitude and ability was no different from a random Blueberry dropping into a Vanguard Strike or that guy on your team in Control who keeps flipping the spawn. Destiny isn't hard, but the people are dumb. Matchmaking or LFG doesn't matter: you'll find dumb people regardless so why not have a Matchmaking mode to at least cut out the middleman?

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  • There’s plenty of idiots in LFG raid teams so what’s your point? You undid your own argument. And if it really is such a problem, then maybe there’s something wrong with the guiding ideas for designing raids.

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  • There plenty of idiots everywhere, in all activities. In random matchmaking, are you able to check the players stats/gear/power level/raid clears before you go into the activity?? LFG minimizes the chances for bad runs by a large margin compared to random matchmaking. I can use any game mode to back that up. Can almost guarantee you’ve barely raided as well.

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  • Exactly— so what exactly would you lose from having matchmaking then??? LFG wouldn’t disappear simply from having MM in game.

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  • Imagine thinking that having to download and use an app directly meant for the game , when everyone has smartphones anyway, is too hard to do haha

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  • "Don't you guys have phones?"

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  • Imagine thinking players should have to do anything outside of a game to do things in the game that they paid for. ha

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  • There is a reason why the Diablo Immortal dev got blasted to oblivion. Why continue to feed into that toxicity?

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