Hot take: PVE really isn't that hard. You act like certain things are "ruined" yet high-end PVE has really only favored DPS and things like Warmind cells. You pretend as if your experience is somehow destroyed yet we all run the same activities over and over again with the same effectiveness, if not more effectiveness than ever before. For example: Even before Nova Warp was nerfed, it was never desirable for raids and bosses, or even crowd control. It was never that good to begin with, and was only really talked about in pvp for being strong The PVP community asks for nerfs because we experience first-hand what is powerful. The PVE community on the other hand would not dare to report any problems for the sake of their own loot and abuse. For example: People found two glitches with Shadebinder. The first one is that it can instantly destroy raid bosses. The second one is that it could be used indefinitely. Did they come crying to the forums to fix it? Not at all. They abused the hell out of it, going through as many raid bosses and endgame content as they could with it before Bungie even knew the problem existed. The PVE community only asks for nerfs and fixes when it benefits them. We saw a lot people wanting materials easier to obtain, and not enough people complaining about how you could walk through a wall in the DSC raid that allowed players to skip through entire sections. You guys pretend to know what's best but you are just as guilty. I laugh at PVE players who think they can take the moral highground while they themselves just let problems happen.

[quote]Bungie find a way to balance your game properly or keep PVE and PVP with out ruining the players weapons, exotics, supers, abilities im not going to go through the list here but is a very long list of things that were nerfed due to the pvp community[/quote] So you grind pvp for 2-4 weeks get done with all content what ya got left oh pvp... but it’s so bad, then play gambit or another worthless strike, better yet make the strike harder to get better blue drops...

Unfortunately, I think what you're asking for is simply not possible. No one has been able to make the kind of marriage between this kind of game in PVE...and an e-sport level PVP experience work. What each demands from the sandbox is contradictory...and no one is willing to compromise. So like a marriage with irreconcilable differences IRW, its probably better that the marriage simply come to an end. I think its going to come down to Bungie having to pick one or the other....and build the game around it. While letting the other go. I think Bungie has already made that choice....and they've quietly chosen PVE. Which is why the game has a feel about it like someone who is preparing to leave a marriage and file for divorce.

That is my main issue with PVP. When I hear someone complain about something being OP in PVP, I immediately get frustrated because I know PVE is going to be effected. Sandboxes must be 100% separated. This is already the case with Gambit. The damage values are completely different compared to other modes.

LOOOOOL. Tell me more about why you need nova warp for killing dregs. Pve is a joke right now. Easy and laughable. Doesnt matter how much they nerf shit, what you gona do? Have to hit the dreg once more? The raid is a joke. The nf's are redundant. Why do you need shit in pve to be stronger?

[quote]Bungie find a way to balance your game properly or keep PVE and PVP with out ruining the players weapons, exotics, supers, abilities im not going to go through the list here but is a very long list of things that were nerfed due to the pvp community[/quote] This irrational line of thinking again? Gear has been balanced separately since the start of D2. And no, pvp is not to blame for every nerf in the game. A lot of pieces of gear have been balanced because of abuse in pve content.

Don't act as if there aren't plenty of PvE exclusive nerfs. [spoiler]Whisper, Orpheus Rigs, that Nova Helmet, Lunafactions- there's plenty more but it's 3 AM and I don't feel like thinking more than that[/spoiler]

Imagine being a pve player and farming the same 3 add spawns for power level to do a bounty and calling it challenging or fun.

Please stop bashing pvp players. As said by others, people need to stop with the whole "pvp is ruining my pve game" and vice versa. Its up to bungie if they want to separate the sandboxes. Rather than attacking players who like a particular game mode, focus your fire on the devs who actually make the changes. You will get more done if you have allies in each section of the game rather than having to deal with a whole bunch of angry people because you used a blanket statement to accuse them all.

LOL, Bungie does not make changes because of what the pvp or pve community says. They listen to all players equally which means they do not listen at all.