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12/26/2020 4:40:07 AM
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Warlocks Are Comparatively Weak
There's really not much for me to add here other than possible fixes for this issue.
Looking at the raw kill potential for the other two stasis classes, its easy to see that the nerfs to the warlock aspect and melee were pre-emptive and ultimately unnecessary. The only two ways I could look at this being fixed would be to nerf the other two classes in kind( I DO NOT LIKE THIS IDEA. I WOULD RATHER PLAYERS FEEL POWERFUL ON THEIR FAVORITE CLASSES) or undoing the Warlock specific nerfs.
An example of nerfs across the board would be to equalize the freeze time for all stasis abilities.
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I am sorry but warlocks are weak I have always played warlock but after I tried other characters it's just unfair. Let's remove stasis out of this topic but warlocks are good for nothing. We arent needed for support some people might say well but the well isn't needed when you have a bubble is it or the hunters void bow so even as support we suck which is our best roll. Dps we suck what need in a dps warlock when you have a golden gun at this point even a titan can deal more damage to bosses then warlocks. And that's not what sucks but everything that the warlock has an advantage in gets nerfed like why an example is the speed boots for the warlock like for real titans and hunters arent even comparable the boots dont even have and slide buff. I mean even when people say the warlock is good they talk about the jump like wtf we dont even jump well we glide GLIDE which means you get lasered and you are slow even the blink takes to time to activate and has a cool down of to jumps we should be mages so let us fly if that's the case or maybe glide longer. Please bungie be fair we arent the strongest of mages nor the fastest of assassins nor the strongest of warriors and our abilities and armor or actually anything we master and love gets taken from us.
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1 返信Are you high? Top tree Dawnblade is SSS tier in pvp and always have been. Nova Bomb and Geomag Lazor are kings in boss dps. Most endgame activities are inadvisable to run through without at least one Well of Radience. Stasis and Nova warp does not speak for the entire class itself.
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1 返信I absolutely hate the "u are the only class that can install freeze argument". Everyone is acting as if the slow effect is terrible, but in reality it is just as strong as freezing your opponent. Also u get to slow for 4 seconds with a fragment, with 2 charges (on hunter). The freeze only lasts for 1.5 seconds if im remembering correctly. Almost 1/4th the time as the slow. I hate stasis overall, but I am a warlock main and believe that all of these subclasses need reworks and stasis needs a rework for pvp only. Take stasis out of pvp ne,t season and figure out how to balance it, but leave it in pve.
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10 通の返信
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I’m not touching Stasis on [b][i]any[/i][/b] class in PvP, and I’m almost willing to forgo Stasis entirely in PvE too. I get it, some people like the power, but I personally find it to be cheap, annoying, and absolutely infuriating to have to fight against.
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Behemoth being the longest lasting super, with the most damage resistance of all stasis, with the longest range freeze, with the most generous hit boxes, with the fastest movement isn't balanced? Say whaaaaaa? Hunters dodge on slow and shuriken spam is their greatest advantage. Titans are only super annoying when the super is up. Warlocks are lol. Before anyone says " drewsky dunk " let's be real. It's not the slam of the hunter but rather the glacial grenade. It creates a wall, freezes on contact, and has a 6-8m explosion radius that kills anything within it when the ice breaks. The radius of the explosion plus the instant freeze on a lame control grenade is the problem, not slamming on it ( Hunter ) or sliding through it ( Titan ). The only real issue is warlock has zero way to detonate the wall. If all 3 classes had this option it would be on. Perhaps put the phoenix dive from bottom saw blade on stasis warlock and allow for it to detonate walls and also start health Regen like it does for dawn blade.
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2 通の返信Did you really just say a melee that could freeze up to 3 people at upwards of thirty meters in less then a second [i]didnt need a nerf[/i]. The class is completely fine and the super is still incredibly strong and the melee is still a get out of jail free card, along with t freezing rift.
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9 通の返信Agreed. You guys just can’t seem to have anything good before it gets dramatically nerfed. Meanwhile us Titans had bottom tree striker & oem for at least a year with no adjustments & hunters.... well lol they have everything else
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Agreed, warlocks do need to get a buff Every time we get something a little better it’s gets crapped on by bungie Once D2 came out, Nova Bomb has been a complete disappointment compared to its older version from d1, Even the grenades got a nerf, now you have to charge them up to actually do anything meaningful Nova warp needed a nerf but instead of tweaking it they flat out made it the worst super in the game Warlock stasis melee needed a nerf but instead of tweaking it they through it into the ground Warlock exotics for crucible are so bland and need to get something more interesting than increase reload speed or auto loading holster by running We need something that is meant for it and has a more noticeable change
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2 通の返信veltix879により編集済み: 12/26/2020 2:24:38 PMWarlock main here. Also do play other class for a try. As a warlock main, yes. It's really weak. The stasis melee range is too short but must actual distance of solar melee + speed. It needs longer duration of super by abit. It needs some shattering abilities love. The melee missile can fine tune to a ball if ice on contact with ground explode dealing med-high dmg to nearby foes. And or freezes. NW warlock super duration need to last more longer, small-med blast radius. No explosion thru wall.
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8 通の返信I play all three equally. I enjoy playing on all three of them. I’ve unlocked Stasis on all of them. From a PvP perspective, I think that the Stasis subclass on the Titan is the worst, Hunters are second, and Warlocks in first. But if I’m playing Warlock, I feel like Dawnblade is still the best option. As for PvE, Warlocks are the best and it’s not even close, followed by Hunters, and then Titans. The “Iceflare Bolts” aspect really puts the Warlock in a league of its own.
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1 返信Titan seems weakest imo and only really shines in pvp due to insane super dmg resist and long slide being OP for the ridiculous shotgun Meta bungie made by nerfing snipers. I still find titan the worst out of the 3, but I don’t shotgun ape and am not partial to sliding. Using a class for super only isn’t optimal either and stasis titan melee is more of a mobility tool than an effective attack imo. Only one I found over the top was hunter when I tried using it during iron banner since storm part of super is an area lockdown that’s super long for control and dodge is very solid with bombardiers. Allowing dodge slows with an exotic that drops a bomb was more entertaining than it should have been and I couldn’t believe I was only one I ran into doing that. Had many unfortunate souls who died to that bomb even though it would only do about 100 damage. I wouldn’t say any of them really need a major nerf, but imo titan needs a major melee buff and a damage resist super nerf. I find the melee seems like it would be more useful with a lower cooldown and no actual attack capabilities, but it slowed targets nearby path. That would also synergize well with icefall mantle if you could use melee to slow then barrier to freeze target since this would give titan a similar synergy to hunter dodge and I feel an aoe slow would probably do more than a highly inaccurate single target knock back melee.
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10 通の返信I don't understand why every other class hasn't had its freeze durations nerfed. 🤔 I play all 3 and warlock definitely feels weakest again.
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7 通の返信
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1 返信After finally playing stasis on my hunter and having played titan and warlock already quite a bit I can say that warlock is easily the strongest of the 3. It just doesn’t have and instant shatter ability(outside of the super) built into the stasis subclass like titan and hunter. But how hard is it to kill something that’s frozen? Not very considering you can with warlock in super, grenade, melee, and rift. Long story short, if you struggle with warlock stasis then you are the problem and definitely not the subclass.
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8 通の返信I disagree, the melee was absurdly powerful with no risk involved. Freezing players at 28 meters for 4 seconds, and faster than you can react leaves engagements very one-sided. The melee on it's own was already powerful, but I saw people abusing it with Claws, Monte Carlo, and high Strength builds for easy free kills. I run all classes, and that melee alone made Warlocks far superior the first week, not to mention the infinite super and other glitches
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I think warlock is the best. I put a build together snd its all im playing. Normally a 20-25 kill per player. On warlock stasis im hitting 25-40. Using same weps. Right gear and playing to its strengths, i think its the best of the 3 stasis.
