Glacier nade and shatter dive on hunter is instant win. Totally balanced lol. With that said warlocks aren’t terrible like everyone is making them out to be.

Hunters didnt cry nerf...every single class did. All these people who blame hunters for a nerf just prove that their post is a salty fake post .

Me: a Titan who uses glacier grenades then slides through them shouting OH YEAH!!! 👀👀

What I really want to know is who approved that Hunter blink exotic. I still don't understand why they thought that would be a good idea given the meta the last year at least.

[quote]So we locks had about a week where we were good. Then hunters cry nerf and here we are. Now its nothing but hunters non stop slamming and shattering left and right. Not saying it needs a nerf. But you all should tune the locks again and make the melee viable again.[/quote] Is it a normal thing to target hunters? Like no one mentioned Titans rarely on a post when I’ve seen them complain.

What’s new. Bungie: Makes DLC without testing equipment and ability combinations enough. Warlocks: Get some good stuff and are happy. Bungie: Notices happiness in the warlock community. Nerfs warlocks so they go back to the bottom in PvP. Warlocks: Eyeroll. Bungie: Serves the bastar[i]d[/i]s right!

Hybrid main over here. Cried nerf too. Post nerf still find Shadebinder to be one of the easiest and most rewarding things to use in both PvE and PvP for Warlock. I see more than enough other players very very regularly using Stasis to do just fine themselves but within actually proper limits unlike before.

stasis has ruined a once good game

I play all three roughly equally and I'd say all three are pretty much on a par with their new stasis abilities. The warlock melee absolutely needed to be nerfed it was utterly ridiculous.

I don't think you guys realize how busted warlock really was. There is a bunch of bs on the Hunter class I'd like nerfed but it's not nearly as broken as pre nerf shadebinder

No. I'm warlock main, but no. Frankly, I'm saying remove ALL freeze effects on ALL grenades and melees. Supers freezing? Fine. They're supers, they've always been broken. But grenades and melees getting a "no, -blam!- you, I win" button is bullshit, and we all know it

Shadebinder was absolutely broken admit it. Bungie has prioritises, hunters are bad but they are not broken. They already said Stasis changes will occur throughout the season.

warlocks got shafted. plain and simple, bungie should have reworked how freezing works in crucible, rather than panic nerf a single class other classes aspects bring them to the same level of being a complete knob in pvp that warlocks were at with their base abilities

Did it need a freeze duration nerfed? Yes.....did only warlocks need this nerf? no titans and hunters should have all been brought in line at the same time. Did the range need a nerf? No just due to the fact the duration was the main problem with the travel speed of the melee. This coming from a warlock main. The range nerf and limiting it to a usable 10 meters where you dont slap is over kill and messes even with the feel in pve. This total nerf was an over shot and needs adjustment. Was it totally unwarranted no. Should the remedy be much quicker yes.

Ill always bring up that it took bungie a whole year to nerf bottom tree striker but warp and binder got nerfed within a week and way harder than striker did.

Seems only right don't you think? Just look at the past. Nova Warp was complained about to the nth degree. - lasts too long - multiple spawn wipes etc... Bungie takes the absolute piss out of it. Then they literally give all that and more to striker Titan and all you heard about was how long it lasted, how OP it was, health regen on kill etc.... You nerf one thing and another will take its place. They nerfed Handheld supernova in return we got Bastion sliding Anteus Ward clowns. You nerfed Lucky raspberry arc bolt, we got viking funeral + tof firebolts. You nerf Titan pulse grenades, you get Shinobu's vow skip nade spam. You nerf Sleeper, you get Queenbreakers. You nerf Queenbreakers you get Truth and Xeno. You nerf Warlock ice pop freeze now you have Death From Above Hunters... Funny how the Hunter is a better Titan than a Titan. Outside of getting lucky with Dunemarchers, I've never seen soo many multi-kills in a single match in my life. lol Heck bungie didn't even need to nerf the range on the Warlock freeze melee because the nerf to stasis freeze pretty much fixed the problem of "it's too easy to freeze people for 5 seconds" You break out of the frozen melee so fast you don't even need to press the button to escape anymore 🙃 It's more of a minor inconvenience than a death sentence now. Not with DFA Hunters. As soon as you hear that ice wall start, you die. It even works against supers too and that grenade still freezes you for like 5 seconds.

Shatter/slam is unavoidable and broken.