I like RPG games. I put hundreds of hours into Dark Souls, hundreds of hours into Final Fantasy. I played classics like Dragon Age, treasures like Legend of Dragoon, and niche ones like Legaia. I also play tabletops under GURPS, D20, Pathfinders, and such. And of course, I like the traditional RPGs like Mario, Zelda, Pokemon, and such. In EVERY SINGLE RPG EVER, there is loot to be had. You're constantly gaining power. There is always a sword before and after the Buster Sword, the Master Sword, the Wooden Hammer. There is always armor to protects better and worse than Bronze armor or Diamond armor. Now, maybe you play for the story. I do as well. But live service games like Destiny can't keep "evolving" the story with an expansion that tells 4 hours worth, and it shouldn't be charging near full price for said story either. If the story lasts as long as a childs paperback, then it shouldn't be priced as a novel. Hell, I don't think we even got a novella sized story this expansion. Someone else will have to do the word counting. The struggle many of us are having isn't the loot or PvP either, it's simply finding things to do. Are we REALLY expected to play through The Disgraced for the hundredth time today? People play PvP because it's something to do besides bang your head against the same 12 strikes over and over and over again, like we've been doing for the past few years. Where's the content? I don't mean seasonal either, that's not apart of expansions, that's stuff that's meant to hold us over until next expansion. I mean, where's the strikes, the new public events, the reasons to keep playing Europa once we finish our grenade quests?

[quote]Yes, they may be trying to turn it into an action-RPG-MMO thing. The problem is it was marketed as a shooter with some RPG-lite elements[/quote] Yes, initially. [quote] and that's what the majority of the playerbase signed on to play[/quote] No, because if that were the case, we'd still be playing Vanilla Destiny 2. Because buying INTO the truth of what you just said was THE catastrophic brand management mistake that led to the disaster that was vanilla D2. The truth seems to be that it is only a very visible and very vocal **minority** of the player base that wants that 'Shooter with a candy-coating of RPG". Because---despite all the salt and the raging online---1.5 million+ people are still showing up everyday to play the game. All that is going on is the same purge among that player base that Bungie had to undergo within their own ranks to "unify' the vision. Because it was those at Bungie who espoused that vision of the game that you just did, that were eithe marginalized or left the company. (Jon Weisznewski, Josh Hamrick, etc...)

not bad kelly. Points made by the replies are super on point though. This game needs to gate everything, as usual it about a day or two of content and thats it. As such, all the loot has to be 'earned' so to speak, as there isnt anything of value in the field drops. Thats not how loot games work. PSO2 is a true action rpg. We get drops in the field.

That’s just it. It wasn’t a bad game. It was just a Halo game dressed up to look like Destiny.

My characters in Diablo 2 and for most of the Sacred games never talked eitehr. ...and my character in The Division 2 hasn't said shit in two years. None of them had major decision points that affected the flow of what story there was. You are taking a VERY narrow, VERY genre-specific notion of what an RPG is, and trying to force every game out there to abide by it. World doesn't work that way.

Because RPG IS a broad term and encompassing many different kinds of games.

No. This is a first-person shooter before its terrible attempts at being anything else.