I agree that PvP needs big fixes, but Bungie can't just simply "listen to the community", because we as a community can't agree on the same things. I mean there are players out there that think Crucible is 100% fine the way it is... So which part of the community would Bungie listen to? I'm always a critic, but I imagine it's not easy.

PvP isn't even close to half of this game

There's alot of potential being wasted in PvP Like for instance taking the weapon limiting modifier from the prestige raids and applying them to Trials of Osiris, the modifier would need it's reset time changed to once a day. (This modifier only permits loadouts that match the modifier and does not allow players to swap them out mid match, the modifier also changes the weapons it allows and doesn't allow on reset. With the leviathan gone this would be in need of a home and a competitive mode that's supposed to be the pinnacle of PvP is in dire need of something like this to force players off of particularly troublesome metas). Each day of ToO would see only three weapon types in a loadout chosen at random One primary slot, One secondary and One heavy. Restrictions would be swapped friday until monday when it ends then rotated again on the friday it starts. With the modifier active you'll see more diverse loadouts than just the pinnacle metas. The upside is this modifier already exists they just need to edit it abit so they're basically just recycling.

They listen to their "community" but they see Twitch streamers and YouTubers as the "community". We are the "player base" and aren't worthy of any special attention. Our opinions don't mean a damned thing to Bungie. We're just so many cows to be milked.

Bungie claimed they would have a new pvp focus, how long has it been since they said that? I still don’t see the pvp focus.

Oh they listen, they just suck at answering. See some of the glorious responses to community requests: Remove cores from infusion = Core inflation -> Prism and Ascendant Shards + Upgrade Modules -> Overpriced Armor 2.0 + inventory problems. Remove armor affinity = Change it at a 1:1 cost of what was already spent Make worthwhile loot = Sunsetting Disable emblem tracker = New emblem system that removes all original trackers and hides away unique stats, effectively erasing hard work.

Thing is: while maintaining a good win ratio and K/D might mean some effort for those at the top with SBM, it means the same for those at the bottom. Now, you just remove those from the "bottom" of the equation - because who enjoys constantly getting owned by others and having double the amount of losses vs wins as well as 10 deaths for every kill. And this is not just imaginary stuff. There is hella lot of people that do their work and daily life routine that has some destiny in it. Just not this much. But it is kinda with RL stuff. Those who got some influence - in this case those streamers and so called top players - enjoy showing off their skills at games at the cost of others. It's just simple, human egoism. But as casual players, what to do against this? Boycott something that has enough elements in it that you care about and would prefer to continue enjoying it? Kinda stupid. Say something on the forums? Well, seems there is people considered more valuable for feedback then us. So, what does remain? Maybe really stop playing the game? Stop supporting any streamers and pro gamers? I mean it is kinda stupid that you earn them their income but at the same time they are part of the problem what makes the game as bad as it is - because those have the most influence. For the game as a whole, strict matchmaking for competetive and less strict, but still skill based matchmaking for casual play is what should be the golden standart. And, what is more - we should know where we sit at. If I am a bad player that belongs to something you wanted to call the bronze league, let me know it. PvP is PvP, there is always some competitiveness involved. So just rank them, this will create pretty much some casual and pro divisions on its own that are way more likely to be accepted. Well, might be :/ dunno, maybe Destiny PvP will always be doomed.

I think you're confusing the community with a handful of whiners lol

What I don't undersrand is why not just add a playlist that is sbmm. I mean one mode wouldn't hurt. Bungie can be so dang stubborn about the most simplest things that would make players happy. Somebody at bungie really likes keeping their player base angry.

What are you talking about? Bungie won an award for community support! 5/5 stars! ⭐⭐⭐⭐⭐

Bungie: thank you for your post. We will share your concerns to the team.

PvP isn't big enough to support both CBMM and SBMM

Problem is if there is both a non comp sbmm playlist and cbmm playlists together, chances are 90% of all players will choose sbmm. As you very well know, sweats are afraid to play against other sweats. The cbmm player pool will pretty much only have 6 stack sweats in it, meaning high level players would play with high ranking players in both sbmm and cbmm playlists, similar to the situation with the classic mix playlist.