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The nature of the whirlwind was also described as occurring during the collapse, when a powerful wind was described as flattening cities. The energy surrounding the Pyramid Scales appears to have sand like airy quality to it, and we know they are currently shaping our worlds so maybe they are charging power to release devastating storms and winds? Just a thought.
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It seems more likely that the Whirlwind was perpetuated by Oryx, given the Raid weapons from Kings Fall. They’re all named after figures Oryx slew, one of them being the Kell of Stone, the last line of defence on their home planet as the rest of his kind fled.
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Those figures were most likely killed after they evacuated their home world and explored other solar systems. Oryx was strong but I don't think he would be capable of destroying an entire world even with his Dreadnought.
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According to the Books Of Sorrow he destroyed thousands of species and worlds because his worm demanded slaughter to stay strong, and his sword logic demanded that he destroy everyone who isn’t worthy of there shape. Oryx and Calus would have got along great He even brags about it directly to the player in the Taken King story missions “You think your worthy enough to face me,I have destroyed entire worlds” Oryx also turned entire species into chitin for his ships, and think about how big the Hive fleet was with hundreds of support ships.
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<Moon sized spaceship with an Earth-sized throneworld capable of pushing out with such force that it made a permanent hole in Saturn's rings? Yeah, if a planet got NEAR that blast there'd be a hole in it, assuming it didn't just get totally blown apart.>
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[quote]<Moon sized spaceship with an Earth-sized throneworld capable of pushing out with such force that it made a permanent hole in Saturn's rings? Yeah, if a planet got NEAR that blast there'd be a hole in it, assuming it didn't just get totally blown apart.>[/quote] Saturn's rings are just bits of ice and rock. The Dreadnought blast didnt even completely vaporize the Awoken ships and there a lot of ship parts still floating around. A planets crust would be damaged but I dont believe for one second the Dreadnought could planet bust.
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Absolutely. But something happened to them. They’re gone now and we don’t know what happened. I think they might have also been erased from all Hive histories, possibly for the Hive’s religious views on the Song of Life that the Choir turned into the Song of Death. Anyone left who calls themselves a Deathsinger isn’t one of them and is known as the Broken Choir. We’re very lucky the Choir is gone.
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The whirlwind is the Fallen's equivalent to humanity's collapse, but that was the event of the Traveller leaving their Homeworld so it couldn't happen at the same time as the great collapse if the Traveller had already spent time at multiple different planets. And yeah the dreadnought's blast attack seems like an accurate representation of a "whirlwind." Oryx could take the Fallen and have them kill each other so I'd think he could destroy their homeworld without even having to be there.
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The Dreadnought blasts only feat as of now is the destruction of a small fleet. There's nothing to suggest it could do something like tear open the skies as the Fallen put it and the wind as it turns out is not a metaphor or misleading description because we were struck by that same wind during the collapse. I think the Fallen would remember if the Dreadnought did it and they would've detected its approach. I don't think Bungie would repeatedly use these words to describe what happened especially given the timing of the Constellations lore book. The Fallen homeworld collapse happened as soon as the Traveler left because the Darkness began undoing the Travelers influence and terraforming.
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You can't actually tear open skies, it's physically impossible so it suggests it's a metaphor. That or if anyone could it'd be the Taken who can tear between dimensions. Besides at this point it's all ancient history that's likely to have been misunderstood somewhere along the way. For all we know they could have killed each other off to almost extinction and are trying to justify why they want their ball back.
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[quote]You can't actually tear open skies, it's physically impossible so it suggests it's a metaphor. That or if anyone could it'd be the Taken who can tear between dimensions. Besides at this point it's all ancient history that's likely to have been misunderstood somewhere along the way. For all we know they could have killed each other off to almost extinction and are trying to justify why they want their ball back.[/quote] lol you almost gave me an aneurism. Remember how the Traveler was said to have stitched skies shut over planets, giving them atmospheres and terraforming them? What would the opposite of stitch be in this context? The Darkness unmakes what the Traveler does. We know this from Constellations which described a literal powerful wind that flattened cities. It's what they're prepping to do to our worlds if we ignore them. They are already telling Eris about a second collapse. No Taken. No dimensions. Darkness. Reverse terraforming. Destructive winds. Atmosphere destruction. Space magic. The lore speaks of a whirlwind that caused the Eliksni collapse, and a powerful wind that also destroyed our cities. Put 2 and 2 together. Some civil war stuff happened after the whirl wind but that isnt the event itself.
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So how is the Traveller there and in the Sol system at the same time? Doesn't make sense, the traveller was in Sol for some time before our collapse, after the whirlwind. Yeah that's the only feat we've seen but not necessarily it's only feat. Oryx has been around lol
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[quote]So how is the Traveller there and in the Sol system at the same time? Doesn't make sense, the traveller was in Sol for some time before our collapse, after the whirlwind. Yeah that's the only feat we've seen but not necessarily it's only feat. Oryx has been around lol[/quote] I'm not sure I understand your question. Oryx has been around but given what we've seen of the Dreadnought it doesn't have the output to destroy a planet, that's a bit extreme.
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It doesn't need to if it's like a Halo Ring it just wipes life on the planet, not the planet itself. We also only see him use it once, he seem to be the type to try to accomplish the most with minimal effort, sending his pawns and cannon fodder. That being said I feel like he really just didn't use it to its full abilities bc it wouldn't be fun or fair to the players for obvious reasons. He let off one blast, what if he just kept spamming it like the rest of the Taken do with their abilities lmao
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[quote]It doesn't need to if it's like a Halo Ring it just wipes life on the planet, not the planet itself. We also only see him use it once, he seem to be the type to try to accomplish the most with minimal effort, sending his pawns and cannon fodder. That being said I feel like he really just didn't use it to its full abilities bc it wouldn't be fun or fair to the players for obvious reasons. He let off one blast, what if he just kept spamming it like the rest of the Taken do with their abilities lmao[/quote] All of that is conjecture or nonsense lol The Dreadnought weapon is nothing like a halo ring and when it hit the Awoken fleet it didnt even disintegrate them, it blew them to pieces: Its a glorified nuke with more radius at best. Oryx does not seem like that type at all. He was angry that we killed his son and had no reason to hold back. He used it once he had already destroyed the Awoken and then used a stealth drive to sneak on board and disable it. And no, he can't keep spamming it because that's not how super weapons work. I don't think I have much more to say on the topic.
