I like autos more than hand cannons, but 600s are just oppressive how they are. They have the same range, better ease of use and laser stability. At least on console they are a force you cannot reckon with.

That's the difference between a Hand Gun and an Automatic Rifle. Bring the better tool to the Job. Spam-cannons had thier tim to shine, now let's be Realistic, Gaurdians use Fifth to Sixth Generation Weapons, some of our weapons have broke the Seventh Generation barrier and are close to Omni-Weapons. Your Spam-Cannon will always be second to someone who has a rifle if they wanted to follow their own game logic. -- That being said Diversity of play does exist, but so does reconigzing when being Diverse just got you killed. -- Random example. If you could build ONE boat in 10 days with a Hand Tool, how many could u build with a Power Tool. Would you tell the Government that Someone else is making to many boats to fast and killing your business? Nooo you'd upgrade tools so you can do more faster. This is the Same Principal. Auto Rifles are finally, where they should be Spammers will die with both Auto Rifles and Hand Cannons. I have died to Luna and Not Forgotten in the last week, along with Austeringer, and other. Hand Cannons, the guys on the other side was highly skilled with them. The point of the game was not to Spam Cannon, which the last two years that's all people did. Let's grow up and Move on. Bring the Better Tool to the job

You think hand cannons are spammy? Auto rifles are way more spammy dude.

[quote]You think hand cannons are spammy? Auto rifles are way more spammy dude.[/quote] By Definition Auto Rifles, are Fully automatic Feed Weapon Platforms. With long Ranges, a forgivable recoil if used correctly, and a deep ammo capicity. Hand Cannons are Short Range semi auto man stoppers. Why are you made that Auto Rifles are being used as intended?? Hand Cannons are spammy, and are screwing up the TTK it's impossible to have an Auto Rifle and Hand Cannon be the same, if you understood Guns correctly. Hand/Spam cannons are fine where they are. It takes a highly skilled Hand Cannon user to over come a Skilled Rifle User. That's just logic. -- Would you build 10 Boats with 1 Hand Tool. When you can build 10 Boats with 1 Power Tool. Both Tools will get the job done. Only one Tool gets it done in a Timely and Effective Manner. Bring the better tool to the Gunfight.

What makes a generic assault rifle better than a literal cannon so size efficient you can hold it in one hand and more powerful than any other primary weapon. Bring a better tool for the job is a completely unnecessary and useless point.

Also Size of Bullet doesn't determine Damage. It's alot more to do with the Velocity, and Rifles Fire Smaller rounds faster than a Hand Cannon, so I'd Hit with More Force because I'm spreading MORE FORCE over a Smaller Area. A Hand Cannon Force Defuses, as in it hits the target and ruptures up the casing as it imbends. A Rifle is designed to explode on impact impedding shrapnel into the soft tissue, using a smaller bullet fired faster, it can hold its velocity further. The Formula for Force is F=M×A Mass times Acceleration. It is a fact that a rifle has more Force.

Oh my lord you must be fun at parties. Actual physics isn't important in games about space magic. And balance between weapons is more important than realistic weapon physics. I know how force works I'm in engineering and easily passed ap physics a few years ago. The thing is, realistic physics is not important in this game about conjuring explosions from nothing.

[quote]Oh my lord you must be fun at parties. Actual physics isn't important in games about space magic. And balance between weapons is more important than realistic weapon physics. I know how force works I'm in engineering and easily passed ap physics a few years ago. The thing is, realistic physics is not important in this game about conjuring explosions from nothing.[/quote] First Law of Thermodynamics You can't creat something from nothing. We use the Life Force of Gaurdians to Channel the Light. Are you sure you passed High School, I learned thermodynamics is science class. And even I understand that you can't Create System without having another system of balances. That's called Chaos Thoery, the Thoery of Entropy states that all systems will fail Eventually, unless maintainted exacting. Your arguing for Spam Cannons to be Primarys, when I would call them Hand Cannons if they were Hand Cannons. Example, I could call you an intellectual, but I'd be lying. Why label something/someone, something that it clear isn't, why set someone up for Failure? That what your asking for when you state Hand Cannons in Video games should be balanced, no. It should be Assymetrical Balance. A Secondary would counter another Secondary, a primary would pubstomb a Secondary. And that's exactly is what's happening, when you challenge someone with a Hand Cannon. - FYI I still Stream me using the 50 GS IN Modern Warfare, I don't have a bais against Hand Cannon. I have a bais against taking a random weapon frame, and a random name, and Bungie sayjng here you go. Cause that's now how shit works. You can't just take two things and combine them, that's not even how magic works. You need the understanding of something, for magic to work. Otherwise your just wasting your Inherent ENERGY. The Day Hand Cannons act like Hand Cannons and not OmniTool Lite is the day the game changes for the better. Muting someone tho, only shows that one can't handle Mature Conversasion. Especially if your going after my attitude by saying I must be fun at parties, which btw. I am. But like really man?? What's with the low blows. Any lower and I think I was talking to someone Stunted.

Ah the dying breaths of a beast. If you have to defend how fun at parties you are, you aren't fun at parties. Now that I've heard your death throes and am thoroughly unimpressed by them I am done with you. Im not muting you because I cant handle mature conversation, I'm muting you because you lack understanding about game balancing. And say auto rifles should be better in every situation to make the game balanced. Goodbye ruiner of parties.

Lmao when a lack of intelelct make one believe I'm against wanting Effective hand Cannons, when its more, Auto rifles are one of the best. That would be Scouts. A Semi Autmo Marksmen should be killing into two shots to the upper body on lower Resilense. Do they?? Do pulses take a Pulse and Half to kill? No they take about 2 and half. If Hand Cannons will stay as they are, than Scouts and Pulse's will never have a time to shine, for they SHOULD be Outshotting Both Hand Cannon and Auto Auto Rifles. You can peek shot with Pulse and Scout like you could with Hand Cannons, unlike Auto Rifles, where you can prefire. Peek Shotting vs Prefiring. Two different Tactics that require Different Archtyei, and HAND Cannon Meta, dominates in ways that don't Allow today's freeflow. I have been killed by Scouts and Pulse's more since Auto Rifles got A 1 POINT BUFF TO DAMAGE. A single Point of Crit Damage. Is that to much to Hand Cannon Crutchers?? Why? I'm not tryna out Auto Rifles on the top, normally it would go, Semi Auto Marksmen (Scouts,) A high damage pulse rifle(1.5 shots should kill someone with low Resilense.) And than Auto rifles. Ussualy Snipers, than Shitty and Then Secondaries. I'm not and I'll repeat this, for those who are hard of reading. I'm against people asking to Nerf Auto rifles, cause we have a very Diverse Sandbox now that Hand Cannons are not Dominanting everyone and Thier Dog.

[quote]lack of intelelct[/quote] Lmao

Make that actually fair. I'm gonna go correct that, I must have been typing to fast.

Accusing me of lacking intellect and doing that.

[quote]Accusing me of lacking intellect and doing that.[/quote] Having a life, when I missed a tiny mistake? Whose the one who sucks at parties. Calling the kettle black my dude, or standing in shifting house of Sand. 🧐 Idk which one you just seem to wanna argue that Hand Cannons are dominating and that's wrong. You and I could go back and forth, oor we can accept to disagree. Cause it sounds like you Need to build a House of Cards to feel important. I'm dipping, i got errends to run. I'll respond later today, cause I'm dipping, but I'm not shutting down a conversation with someone who is capable of stringing an entire sentence together, even if it's prideful, and arrogant statement "in a game of magic, should Physics even be a thing," why yes. Or else what's stopping me from having am Omni Tool. If anything is possible, why am I and you not Demi God's of War??

A larger Barrel for one A stock A Frame that is intended to swallow recoil. NUMBER twists in the Barrel PER sqaure inche. Liquid floating Barrels. ACOG or High Powered scopes on Rails. Higher magazine Capicity. ECT ECT. Should I keep going with how Fifth Generation Technology means Auto rifles Out strip Hand Cannons. It's called physics man. And it not stupid to bring the Best tool to the job, it's called being Logical.

Yes physics, very necessary in a game about space magic. Balance in any game is more important than realistic physics. And a singular auto rifle archetype being better than any hand cannon in OTTK, range, and forgiveness is not balanced. Physics isn't important if it creates imbalance. And it isnt stupid to bring the best tool to the job, but calling autos the hands down best tool is stupid.

Balamce isn't important if every Gun has to have the same TTK as a Hand Cannon. The weakest of all weapons. Scouts are the principal of Cannon with a stock and a Larger Bullet. By your Logic a Scout should 1 Shot. By your Logic, all Hand Cannons should have a TTK of 0.80. Do you remember what happened to COD when they had Hand Cannons as powerful as Auto Rifles? They had Every game after black ops to, where Does Physic Matter? Yes in a Shooting Game, bullet Physics matter. That's what determines damage. -- Assymetrical Balance is how games should be made. The ONLY counter is HOW you use you weapons. A Hand Cannons should never be on Par with Primarys. For it's not one it's a Secondary, but this game change for the Hand Cannons. So yes for the Sake of the TTK and the PvP Sandbox, so in PvE weapons are not made in the mind frame of can A Hand Cannon keep up. The moment you have to ask yourself, can an archtype of weapon keep up, you have failed. Even Magic can't make a shitty weapon Capable, only the Gaurdians using the weapon can use that Weapon. To follow your Logic of in Magic game why have Physics. Okay, why have Weapon Archtypes, why not have a few Omni-Weapons, since that's what people want with Spam Cannon, a 2-3 shooter at all ranges, when Hand Cannons have less range than some Secondariez. If we are gonna follow that Logic than I advocate for more Omni Weapons, let's just throw the TTK out the window. I don't get you, you can't state that Auto Rifles can't be superior and THAN ask for Hand Cannons to be buffed so they are back on too, for that is both unlogical, and will cause lore of the problems we have, of what is TTK. It's not using a Spam Cannon like it's Primary, not unless your peeking around Corners. Don't run and gun with Hand Cannon Sniper Load out. I will go out on my way in this meta to kill you with my STEELFEATHER REPEATER, 720 rpm. It's only logical when you use a Spam Cannon, Destiny is not the Wild West and even DOOM took out the Hand Cannon, as Primary, for when technology reaches a certain point, a hand cannon is like trying to build a boat with a Hand Tool. Yes you can do it, but after a certain point your being left in the dust by those more capable and superior.

I'll say it's more of a badly implimented controls thing, namely bad sensitivity settings and deadzones. On PC, it's more of a trade-off type thing, personal preference if you want Cannon or AR, even if the recoil was the same as console, it'd probably not change [i]too[/i] much.

I didn’t say they were over powered or unfair. Just boring and require no skill.