Actually that part about not being effected isn't completely true. In fact in replies the OP or this topic has shown exactly why people don't even want optional matchmaking for raids. Not everyone would do this, but it is extremely likely that a very vocal group would begin complaining that raids are to hard, that random match made groups just can't seem to do them. They would also then complain that to much communication is involved and that it needs to change. Therefore at the very possible chance that Bungie listens to this group, the raids could actually end up being made significantly less fun for a fair number of people. The OP himself commented the exact sentiment to me that if raids require more than very basic audio ques for communication then something needs to change. I am very much normally all for player choice, especially if there is really no conceivable way that it could effect others. But it this case even the option could very well lead to reducing the fun of others. It's not guaranteed, but it is still a very real possibility. Personally I would much rather they improve and perfect the guided games system instead. Give more reasons for guides to participate, and make basic filters such as language, and perhaps a toggle for whether a group wants someone with a mic or not. To me this would be a far better option than even an optional match making system because then at least the person or people joining (would make it so you could look for at least 2 people) would be in a group that has done it before, and so is far less likely to go running to Bungie yelling about the raid being to hard and them being unable to complete it.

Wrong most do want it the fact anyone would say they is ignorant it wouldn't affect them at all if they don't use it so your argument is just invalid along with anyone else against it as well.

I just pointed out exactly how it very much could effect a fair number of people. Just because you want to ignore it doesn't change the fact that it is there. The OP himself is a perfect example, optional match making isn't even a thing and he is already calling for changes to the raid because he knows it will be to difficult for a random group with no mics to do.

Oh no... the thing any good game is designed around is now a threat to your precious precious discord channel ;o; Hear that everybody? Using Audio Visual Cues Is Going to RUIN GAMING FOREVER

No, just dumb it down by a fair amount. Again going to assume here that you really haven't done the raids or else you would know that a fair number of them require a fair amount of coordination along with some more complicated call outs, such as what symbols someone sees, or directing people through an area they can't see, or determining when and where to do an action. This goes double when you try to do any of the challenges that the raids tend to have. If you don't like that destiny is to complex for you to do without a mic, or very efficient communication system (which it has an in-game chat system by the way so you don't need discord at all, but I guess you didn't know that either), then go to one of the others games you claim are so much better. Why does it have to change for this game? Why does the fun have to be reduced for others here when according to you there are plenty of other games that do it better? If you know of better then go play that, pretty simple.

Ah yes, I remember all those years of game development where good level and game design was " dumbing it down" for everybody. Yes... I'll be sure to tell that to the long dead makers of Chess, a very, very dumb game with no rules.

What are you talking about? Are you really trying to say raids in destiny, you know the 6 player co-op thing, is the same as chess, you know the game where individuals face one another, in a game that is only for two players? Ok then, you just very clearly showed that you have absolutely no idea what you are talking about. My goodness, that might be the strangest and dumbest attempt at a comparison I have ever seen.

The requirement for most people to use mics and force a pre made, is due to poor game design, a poorly laid out rule set, and a lack of a/v cues. If other MMO's and FPS's can do it, Bungie can do it. The simple comparison was Chess, a game that requires you understand the rules though has the luxury of not being required to teach the players what those rules are. That's up to the players beforehand. However if a game is interactive it's meant to inform you of the rules, in this case, Destiny; but if it fails to relay information to the player, it has failed in a primary function of what interactive games fundamentally are. Artificial barriers in lieu of good design, are bad design.

It is meant to be a puzzle if you are going in blind. It is no longer a puzzle if they have to hold your hand through it. Also destiny isn't like every other game, and that is kind of the point. Why are you playing destiny instead of a different game? Could it be because it is somewhat different than other games? Sorry but not every game is the same, and if you don't like how a game does things, then go play one that does it better. There is plenty of bad design in the game, but the raids are actually one of the very few pieces of the game that actually tend to be designed very well. Some enjoy a more complex game design, and enjoy a system that actually requires coordination. If you don't like it, then go find another game, it is clear that, that is the way destiny is, and it is clearly that a fairly large number of people like it that way. Also your attempt to justify such a pathetic attempt at a comparison is just sad. The two have essentially nothing in common. For one thing you can't see the entirety of a raid at one time, nor does chess have any aspect of teamwork. Chess can be played entirely silent, not audio cues or anything to speak of. The two have absolutely nothing in common. And again, people like you, that talk the way you do, are the exact reason that many are against even the idea of optional match making. So good job on that I guess. Maybe if you actually bothered to do the raids you would see how well they are designed and how well the callout systems work. But because you obviousely don't, you really can't speak on the matter to be honest.

It isnt a puzzle after worlds first raids broadcast it and every streamer makes a guide. The reality is that you are supposed to be able to infer the rules from a game if they arent told outright, that involves work from the developer. And the only mechanic that makes Raids " require" voice chat is the lack of very obvious audio/visual queues and forcing an unlock based on a number of characters at any given time. Doesnt have to indicate everything, but enough to work it out or coordinate on available positioning.