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4/23/2020 11:34:28 AM
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There is no real point to a class competition

As you can tell from the title I don't think there is any purpose in having an event like this. The only worthwhile reward besides the Heir Apparent LMG at the end of it all is bragging rights. And another thing, what is the point of a contest if one team obviously has a distinct advantage over the two? Hunters in terms of population outnumber warlocks and titans at about a estimated 3 to 1 to 1 ratio (3:1:1), about 60% Hunters, 20% Titans, and 20% Warlocks. So the hunter class, even if they slack off a bit torwards the end are still the most likely to win the event. Btw I don't mean to make this sound like a rant, I'm stating what will most likely happen because of what everybody knows. I'm also sorry if this looks like throwing shade at hunters in general. I mean is it reasonable to put a sloth against cheetahs in a race? Just came here to state the facts.

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  • It doesn't even matter because the participation rates are skewed.

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  • What's sad is this could actually work if it wasn't dare I say.... Half Baked. Actually this thing is still raw ingredients to be honest. So check this out. I am in a clan that had about 16 clans all in one discord. 1700 members and it is a very active and fun community to play with. There IS that banter about the best class and what not. It's a fun rivalry between our members that has gone on for years. So when they announced this event we were hopeful that there would be meaningful competitions showing the classes rise up and display their talents. This week we get.... Bounties with an exotic carrot dangled in front of us. At least the medals give a little loot. Nothing to write home about. But anyway the loot and incentive system is a whole other story back to Guardian Games as a whole. It is sad that Bungie this big AAA studio dropped this event or if you even want to call it that. I like to call it a colorful spring skin sale personally. So the clan I am decided to take it upon ourselves to do our own guardian games. One that has actual goals and meaningful activities. Instead of just completing 5 forges for a metal our clan is dedicating each day to a particular event. Let me give you an example Whatever full team of Titans, Hunters, or Warlocks is able to complete the Leviathan raid the fastest will get a small thing of silver and other little merch we can find. The class itself will get a "MEDAL" that we track in discord and the class with the most metals at the end will be given their own unique title in our discord. For example a Titan team is able to run the quickest clear of a raid, or have the highest team KD that day in crucible or whatever challenge we think of. The team members who win get an individual reward and the Titans will chalk up a metal on the big board in hopes to get the Guardian Game Champion title in discord. It's the best we can do but it's sad that it is taking the admins own money time and effort to make a true Guardian Games. I have said it time and time again if it weren't for the community taking this game and making it in to something enjoyable I would have been long gone. A bunch of like minded gamers were able to make an event more worthwhile via a discord app than a AAA developer with all the resources you can think of well at least more resources than what we have.

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    • The Games are a rather cool concept, but as usual, the execution lacked. As a whole, the community has long debated which class was best, between that, the exploit, and the weighted medals, the negativity has only increased. As a titan main, i was excited to go int the games, probably get second and be happy with a silver bath towel- i was full aware that hunters should win. Now, titans have won multiple days in a row with hunters getting shoved to last, which in if itself doesn’t make sense. While have a golden bath towel is cool, i don’t feel like i could wear it pridefully, the constant accusation that Titans are the only ones using the exploit make me feel otherwise. (Fyi: the idea that only titan can use the exploit is idiotic) Summary: cool event idea, poor execution

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      • It’s just for class bragging rights, really. The medals are weighted so all classes have the same chance even with the much higher number of hunters. I still think hunters will win, mostly because they’re clearly the best.

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        • What everyone here fails to realize, and apparently Bungie as well, according to the way they nerfed hunter medals to the ground is this: you prove which class is best by selecting that class cuz they appeal the most to you if hunters appeal the most to majority of playerbase, apparently hunters are best deal with it After all, Bungie decided to give all the cool/effective/good movement to the hunters, leaving titans and warlocks to glide around like a bunch of monkeys. And at the end of the day, when their playerbase creates and plays all 3 classes, of course t hey will pick out 1 as a main, especially for events like these. I myself have and play all 3 classes, with an emphasis on hunters because I enjoy their movement, capes, and generally their skill set. Anyways, when the community makes their mind up and decides to main hunters in a large majority, what does Bungie do? They nerf hunter medals to the ground. I mean, what did they expect here, of course that the most popular class will have the most active players around. That's the thing, this has nothing to do with ''which class is the best'', it's just ''which class is preferred''. With a bounty/medal system like this, you can't possibly have ANY contest to prove ''which class is best'' because there is no equal environment for that testing/competition to happen. They could have easily made a number of queues/arenas where 1 of each class is required (same how 8 players are needed for gambit for example) and they create a number of different competitions. No weapons allowed, just you and your class abilities. Go and see who survives the longest, who runs the fastest, who is the most agile and who can mitigate the most damage. Or whatever. But this, whatever this is, is just a bunch of bs rigged heavily against hunters due to them being picked the most by the player base. The moment I get my hands on my heir, I'm done with the event, cuz all thje time invested, all the ''get good'' comments that I'm sure will fly my way for this, all of it... none of it matters because no matter how good you get, the odds are heavily stacked against hunters and that's a fact. Anyone who denies that is just a b**** who needs to ''get good'' because they can't accept the fact that, without Bungie holding their hand, they wouldn't even sneak a peek over the hunter banner.

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        • Yoshi-TheOreoにより編集済み: 4/25/2020 11:00:09 PM
          What you're not accounting for is how many of that 60% is running 2 to 3 Hunters vs the Titans running 2 to 3 Titans on one account? One account can turn in 21 medals to their respective class if you run three of the same class. If you run Hunter, Titan, and Warlock, then this event pretty much isn't designed for each player to prove their worth, but each character under a player. Edit: And to add insult to injury, I find it very suspicious we've been beating their heads in about showing numbers instead of visuals objects to convey progress; progression bar, XP bar, etc, yet they decide to go with a banner approach of which is the tallest with no real number indicator that shows how many gold medals have been acquired and each player. Because if there was a visible tracker you would see a majority of players maining Titans with over the feasible amount within the given time of the event launched when deleting a character. The incentive is destroyed.

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        • Agreed

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        • You guys are complaining about a event that's free for everyone, you dont always need to expect big things for a event that's not as important.

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          • I just don’t understand why so many people take this so seriously

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            • People are taking this whole thing [i]far[/i] too seriously. 🤦‍♂️

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                It’s all going concording to plan 😂🤣 - 古い投稿

                I couldn’t care less which class wins. I’ve been playing all three and picked up Heir Apparent last night. Just the other 2 ghost shells to get over the next couple of weeks as I’m not playing Rumble to get super kills for that emblem.

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              • Bungie has always had a hard-on for Titans. Example: ever notice how the silhouette in nearly all of the icons for emotes is a Titan? So of course they have to rig the game against Hunters.

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                • joshjdaにより編集済み: 4/25/2020 5:48:24 AM
                  It was obviously supposed to be the fix for faction rallies. Then some "genius" decided herpa derp derp derp let's make it the destiny Olympics and pit classes vs each other. I'm sure a few hundred people who worked hard said hell no are you stupid? However since this fools mommy and daddy were rich people they get to do w.e they want no matter how stupid cause they were given a job with no qualifications. That's how you get guardian games. That's life. Oh and sorry to say that lmg is going to be more disappointing to you then this entire thing once you try to use it and die vs everything with an arc weapon. Womp womp.

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                • A rigged competition is no competition. Hell- the Warlocks are passed us! I've removed my Guardian Games cloak. I cant help if there is no longer an incentive to help. If i tell my clan this thing rigged they'll pull out on principle alone! There us no glory in this, no honor. It is a hollow victory and the Titans should know it.

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                • Hah! Hunters most likely to win? Good joke. Our medal turn ins have been nerfed into the dirt, like what happened to sleeper simulant in season 4. We manage to win the first day, and I swear to god, there must have been another nerf to hunter medals. At this point, I'm just getting the exotic and using the medal packages for some gear, that's it. Hunter's aren't going to win.

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                • Cozmo has already posted saying it’s rigged. Medals are weighted for population. So if there are more hunters their medals count for less. How else do you explain titans winning the last few days. Absolutely stupid from bungie. If titans win there will always be an asterisk next to the title.

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                  • They specifically said in the trailer the winner gets bragging rights it's exactly to show who's the best class

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                  • Except hunter won't win, because they weighted hunter medals so bad that there's not a chance.

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                    • ...but what if we give the sloth roller skates and a gun?

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                    • Thing is hunters are working at a marked disadvantage also, Bungie said so. Plus we don't really know how Bungie gets their info on guardian class numbers and how they are processing numbers for who's winning. (Bungie at this time isn't exactly known for their accuracy, much less ability to do anything balanced or fair) For example, there might be more hunters but it's usually in PvP from what I see. And every time I run PvE events it's the other way around. I'd really like to see what the numbers are for regular players in PvE and PvP crowd. Regular meaning ppl who regularly play the game instead of just something like 3 hours a week bc from what the results are looking like so far, Titans are beating out hunter class by something like 2x. Could also be that since there is a cheese for free gold medals players are vaulting their gear and deleting their unwanted classes and creating new ones. I use all 3 classes so this contest is pointless IMO, faction rallies made more sense.

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                    • Vex_cheeseにより編集済み: 4/24/2020 5:54:25 PM
                      The heavy machine gun is literally the only reason I even logged in. Wish the results of this actually mattered. Like it would be cool if the winner determined an exotic that got in. Tlaloc for warlock, Fabian for Titan, and an exotic still piercer for hunter since we already have the ace

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                    • I don't trust that it's not rigged so it's automatically pointless to me. And what, the people who play all three characters are going to deliberately NOT do stuff on the other two so their "favorite" can win. Yeah... ok...

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                      • There is no point other than propping up the most toxic elements and then throwing that toxicity a parade. This whole season warrants a written apology from Bungie. Nothing released yet has landed well, even Heir Apparent isnt gonna change the game in any real sense coz Bungo made damned sure to throttle down its boss damage.

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                      • I’d bet my life savings that hunters won’t win due to the numbers already benign adjusted to account for their popularity. In fact I’ll go a step further and say that I’d be very confident that the winning class is already predetermined. But to go along with your title and raise a different reason for it, what’s the point in a class competition when the player is incentivised with playing and completing medals on all 3 classes to most efficiently complete triumphs and get the event exotic? Surely in an event designed to crown the superior class, we should be incentivised to pick our favourite class and try to actually win the damn thing. No?

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                        • iliopoulosXDにより編集済み: 4/24/2020 2:13:20 PM
                          It's not really a competition. No really? It's just bounties and bounties masquerading as medals and pretty colors to point your guardian towards the cash shop. No vision. No innovation. Not even fun. Just some lazily tacked on bounties and wasted development time for a coat of olympic themed paint in the tower. Would it have taken any longer than it took to design the new deposit in the tower toilet system to do leader boards, or a few speed run activities? Or a three way pvp mode? And maybe so unique theme event gear that drops randomly based on your individual participation in event activities? Anyway. I wont armchair quarterback. What I will say it's just a lazy uninspired event. I think I've said it over and over since the launch of these seasonal pass style content drops and events.

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                        • Well.... -blam!- me sideways. Gave up on PvP a year ago because it helps me keep my inner rage in check. I’ve accepted the fact that every Exotic god damn Hand Cannon requires crucible to complete... so let that pass. Just realized in order to get Heir Apparent PvP is required. So... -blam!- it, thinking I’m already done. At this point Guardian Games for me is a waste of time.

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