According to the stream this next season will be more one about longer range engagement and precision. So I don't think sidearms will be getting any better anytime soon.

I think there needs to be a benefit for using double primaries in PvP, and for them to intrinsically have great handling and a mobility buff for them to be competitive

[quote]How you gone make submachineguns better but not sidearms? I dont know how many times a sidearm has let me down because it either doesnt do enough damage because they required pretty much headshots, unregistered damage or someone one hit kills me with weapons that negates any damage I have done on them as they are rushing from 10m away. If you assuming getting gud, using the META or switching to a non sidearm loadout is a solution then I 😂😂😂 at you. Do not misread because I use sidearms in COMP and wherever because I like the archetype. Some people can barely do a Primary only gameplay now but want to say get good 😂😂😂🤦🏽‍♂️🤦🏽‍♂️. Every match is a shotgun or some clown with the Erentil but dont misunderstand because I can give a two craps about that but when sidearms are not performing due your lack of interest in them, it is saddening. Why put them in the game if you have no intentions of making them viable ie sidearms doing mediocre damage PERIOD. The only time I actually win when dealing with my sidearms are when I have to get all headshots or when I have a full auto version. So you are saying it is okay for a shotgunner to tank bullets straight lining a sidearm user who is literally expending an entire magazine to kill one person??? Why is that a thing??? Lets not even get me started on how easy it is to use a fusion rifle now. I remember when you actually had to be skilled with using one but now everyone can use it. This game relies way too much on seasonal METAs rather than each weapon being a viability in the hands of a capable user. Stop catering to META crap and making guns or armor worse due to some nerf requesting. I am not asking for a nerf but stating the obvious crap that happens in the Crucible. Autos, Hand Cannons and Pulses should be even. Sidearms and Subs should be even. Scouts and Snipers should be even but only due to certain maps. Too much favoritism in a game that has various options but I guess this is your way of making the game last longer. Just asking for a buff that is all. Just makes no sense that the weapons I choose for fun ie sidearms, bows and hand cannons are just still lackluster at best but pulses and scouts are back at the top again. Also Rumble is a crap show and needs a spawning adjustment badly. Dont know how many times I have spawned and boom the radar is red as crap because I just got spawned right next to a shotgunner and fusion user. We need QOL so badly. Sidearms need help badly and I aint talking about no stupid artifactual help. Is Artifactual even a word?? Before I post this mess, where are our sight changes??? Snipers need new sights like seasons ago.[/quote] Yeah they need minors tweaks in crucible. More range and some need a recoil balancing. Some kick harder than the hand cannons. Add mods and barrier rounds to them also!!!

[quote]How you gone make submachineguns better but not sidearms? I dont know how many times a sidearm has let me down because it either doesnt do enough damage because they required pretty much headshots, unregistered damage or someone one hit kills me with weapons that negates any damage I have done on them as they are rushing from 10m away. If you assuming getting gud, using the META or switching to a non sidearm loadout is a solution then I 😂😂😂 at you. Do not misread because I use sidearms in COMP and wherever because I like the archetype. Some people can barely do a Primary only gameplay now but want to say get good 😂😂😂🤦🏽‍♂️🤦🏽‍♂️. Every match is a shotgun or some clown with the Erentil but dont misunderstand because I can give a two craps about that but when sidearms are not performing due your lack of interest in them, it is saddening. Why put them in the game if you have no intentions of making them viable ie sidearms doing mediocre damage PERIOD. The only time I actually win when dealing with my sidearms are when I have to get all headshots or when I have a full auto version. So you are saying it is okay for a shotgunner to tank bullets straight lining a sidearm user who is literally expending an entire magazine to kill one person??? Why is that a thing??? Lets not even get me started on how easy it is to use a fusion rifle now. I remember when you actually had to be skilled with using one but now everyone can use it. This game relies way too much on seasonal METAs rather than each weapon being a viability in the hands of a capable user. Stop catering to META crap and making guns or armor worse due to some nerf requesting. I am not asking for a nerf but stating the obvious crap that happens in the Crucible. Autos, Hand Cannons and Pulses should be even. Sidearms and Subs should be even. Scouts and Snipers should be even but only due to certain maps. Too much favoritism in a game that has various options but I guess this is your way of making the game last longer. Just asking for a buff that is all. Just makes no sense that the weapons I choose for fun ie sidearms, bows and hand cannons are just still lackluster at best but pulses and scouts are back at the top again. Also Rumble is a crap show and needs a spawning adjustment badly. Dont know how many times I have spawned and boom the radar is red as crap because I just got spawned right next to a shotgunner and fusion user. We need QOL so badly. Sidearms need help badly and I aint talking about no stupid artifactual help. Is Artifactual even a word?? Before I post this mess, where are our sight changes??? Snipers need new sights like seasons ago.[/quote] Yeah more range in pvp. That would be amazing. They should create a side arm meta.

lol