For the past year people have been posting like, "oh everyone prefers no SBMM, it is How It Should Be", but it turns out that when players have the choice everyone apart from those most desperate to farm KD gravitates towards the SBMM playlists ... just like I predicted. I'm going to have to assume that it's less to do with lag and more to do with sweaties being sad at having to play other sweaties, and nobody dutifully turning up in classic mix to be farmed. Also, I've never noticed lag to be a major issue on PS4, whether in the earlier SBMM era or after that mysterious "bug" killed it for most of the past year.

All the modes have always been lag city. Blaming it on SBMM is a false premise.

Lol. Not even close to true. You people act like lag didn't exist last year. Spoiler alert: it did. There's actually less lag by far right now because the playerbase is 3 times what it was last year so matches are made closer to home. It's simple physics. Information on the internet is limited to the speed of light at best( barring bottlenecks). When I play with a guy in Australia I hear my voice echo through his mic a full second later. That's what latency is. The truth is that distance between the 12 players has a much larger effect on latency than the odd idiot on WiFi. If you see one person teleporting, report that person. However, don't be surprised if you're the one who gets a temporary ban since it's just as likely you have the poor connection since most kids on this forum have zero control over Mommy and Daddy's internet. I'm an adult and I make sure my stuff is primo, so I rarely see much lag in pvp. I see much more in pve because of Bungie's shitty servers.

I havent seen any lag. Even in IB.

Yup, nothing but constant lag issues, and since the playerbase is now divided into so many different playlists, the ”connection based” mode Classic Mix gives me a lobby with a mix of EU/NA/Asian players half the time too so it can lag just as much as the playlists with SBMM. It’s always the same thing when they start factoring skill into matchmaking in this franchise, average players say that they don’t see any issues and that all the tryhards just don’t like competition, and meanwhile people who either live in less populous regions of the world or the people who put the time in to become above average get to ”enjoy” long queue times only to once again end up a lobby where half the enemy team sponges your shots but has no trouble killing you.

I’ve been making this argument for years. If you add skill based matchmaking in a P2P game, the skill won’t matter. Whats the point in being equal in skill if every kill is a trade because you are matching people in vietnam.

There isn’t a way to make the system beneficial. For every person complaining about lag, there will be someone complaining about getting their shit pushed in from the start. That’s why I’m glad I grew up in the era of the competitive arcade scene. There isn’t a “bunny slope” in the FGC. You have to survive the trial by fire to get better.

SBMM should only be used in game modes that start with ‘competitive’. Also PEER to PEER connections and SBMM shouldn’t go together ever

Here’s a downvote. Haven’t experienced the lag you complain about and am winning the majority of my matches in IB plus, and this is a biggie, I’m ending up with a positive KD. This scrub is a big fan of SBMM. I like playing against players that are the same skill level as me.

You might trigger the shitters who love it

It is every time but people never learn.

sbmm should only be in comp, imo.

You all asked for it. How easily you children forget.

In everyone of these post there are players who are 1.4kd plus complaining about lag, .8 - 1.1kd people happy with SBMM, experiencing no lag, and saying better players want to pub-stomp. The truth is not so black and white, and both sides are correct to a certain extent. There are no dedicated servers, the population is spread thin over more playlist, and there is no geolock on steam. This creates a problem where the top end and very bottom end of the scale have very few players to match with. Often this leads to players from farther away being placed into the match. Having increased latency in a high pressure match vs equal skill adds variance and inconsistency. These situations are the situation where consistency and latency can vastly change match outcome. I have used a network tracker and have been connected to players from all over, and well into Central America. Some instances have been at 300+ ping. This is more common off peak hours, but does occur during primetime. At the same time, connections for players in the more populated average of the deviation scale do not experience the same problems, and are generally happier not being farmed by the one to two higher skilled players who were in every match before Shadowkeep launched. They claim we want to pub-stomp, and even the best players are guilty of this to some extent. I know I have done my fair share of stacking this season so far, but for most of last year I didnt. Everyone wants to play with friends sometimes, but we are definitely by definition pub-stomping. From the average players perspective, this is also a fair position for them to have as better players do take advantage of the system when SBMM is not in effect. The reality is that Classic being pure CBMM is a good middle ground, and the other playlist need some adjustments. They need to Geolock SBMM in steam, and only allow connections within 150 ping. They need to loosen the skill assessment weights to allow for a bigger pool, but still keep players within 40% of their skill level. This would keep top players playing above average players, but keep them from playing average and below. It would also allow the average pool size to grow for better connections at the cost of slightly more variance. The alternative is having strict dedicated servers, but I don't think that will happen. There is a middle ground here, but the current algorithm and matchmaking isn't the answer. While I am happy that the average player is having a better experience, doing this at the cost of making the experience worse for the bottom 10% and top 20-30% is not a fair solution.

I’m a top 1% pvp player and let me tell you that the sbmm playlist is straight caca. I’m one of those players that loves playing solo because it’s more fun and I hate pub stomping. However! That sbmm playlist is aids. Teleporting players, shots not registering, you name it. The majority of the players I went up against were foreigners. Players from japan, Europe, and South America. South American players have terrible internet.

No it wasn't.. you want unbalanced pub stomping then go play classic, have at it. Otherwise man up and play at your skill level. Been playing Crucible since Shadowkeep came out. I have played more this past 2 weeks than almost all of the past year. If you see lag then I suspect you need better internet. I have yet to see lag that makes matches unplayable. Not saying it doesn't happen.. but I really think the issue is with your IP and not MM Again you want old QP back then go hit classic. Funny how no one wants to play that list but hate SBMM... They just want easy matches not competition.