[quote]He really speak for the community...or bit!? His feedback: - raid is far too easy. Meanwhile most of us haven’t even started it let alone complete it - levelling is too easy. He’s played 93 hours since launch...we all have actual jobs and scraping to level up - Armor 2.0 is fantastic. Really??!! So I’m assuming Bungie will take this on board even though this represents the most elite of elite try hards. EDIT: I don’t mean to make this personal against Datto. I respect his knowledge and I obviously follow him otherwise I wouldn’t have seen the video. I guess my implicit message is that I don’t like the power Youtubers have, and certainly don’t feel their opinion represents the majority of the players. A point he himself acknowledges yet there does seem to be a correlation between what streamers say and what Bungie do. That was my main concern - I don’t think that was very clear originally EDIT 2: some good comments both side of the coin here. Please try and not get too personal against Datto, ie some comments about his hair style etc, not really relevant![/quote] We need to get away from this false narrative of content creators controlling the game. They don’t. This is bungie’s game. Pretty sure executives aren’t watching YouTube to decide where they go next with their IP. Come on now. I haven’t done the raid yet, leveling is right where it should be for me. Also Datto said leveling is easy TO 900. Quote him properly. We don’t need to give false ammo to those that want to spread false narratives. Armor 2.0 is brilliant with the exception of the element part. I could do without that. I’m not foolishly spending my materials until I have the armor set I truly want. People mad about materials are the ones spending recklessly. I know you didn’t comment on this, but it kind of goes hand and hand with the hate on armor 2.0.

Streamer speaks out about something bad in the game, and Bungie changes it, Bungie Forums: “Streamers have too much power, they’re a cancer to the game.” Streamer speaks out about something bad in the game, and Bungie doesn’t change anything, Bungie Forums: “Bungie never listens to its community...”

I've played almost nothing since launch as I went on holiday, and I agree with him. It is too easy to level up. Armour 2.0 is pretty much perfect. I can't wait to create my builds 🙂 If you don't like it don't play it 👍🙂👍

My question is why the -blam!- does everyone care so much what one dude says? If you like the game, great. If you don't, don't play it. It's very simple. People are just sheep. That being said, I get that Bungie listens to YouTubers or the "elite" as you said. But here's the thing... If they listen to those elite and change things according to what they say, and those changes don't reflect the wants of the player base as a whole...people will stop playing. Then maybe they will realize that making changes that only the elite want will eventually kill the game.

I did kind if laugh when he meantioned the relic was easy to level up. Well yeah if you run raids, nightmare hunts and vex offensive over and over again with a premade group. You storm through anything. Most of these guys have either maxed out their relic or pretty close.

For who's looking for the video, link in the following Spoiler: [spoiler]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gXUgxjdgp-0[/spoiler] After I saw and listened the video I was shocked. If Bungie really thinks that Datto is a sort of spokesman for the community, they should really start to think twice. I know that Datto speaks for "himself" and he shares his own ideas, however, exactly as someone like Ninja was seen as a sort of frontman for Epic, my fear is that Datto can be seen as the same for Bungie. If this is the case, I'm really worried for the future of Destiny. Mind, this is just my personal opinion. What really I disliked of the video, is that for Datto it seemed that we all play like him, that the community is basically formed only by hardcore players that play a game for living. That in this first week and half of Shadowkeep we played 93 hours like him, completed the Raid during the Challange, reached level 82 of the Seasonal Pass, appreciated the new Armor 2.0 ecc. A simple turn for the Forums here just shows how all of this is not true at all. He probably feels happy to have "his a**" get kicked in an incredible Hard Activity that he can stream on his Twitch channel, to have to grind hours and hours for a single Mod or whatever, but this doesn't mean that the entire community is as happy about that too. I really want to hope that Bungie understands that. Datto is a good content creator, this is true. He makes good guides, he often touched really good points about the status of the game, however, since before the launch of Shadokeep it seems that he really went off the rails for some reason. Again, I wanna hope that Bungie will listen the COMMUNITY for what it really is throught the right channels (Forums, Reddit ecc) and not only the CONTENT CREATORS throught their videos. This is the only thing I really care.

[quote]Armor 2.0 is fantastic[/quote] Irrefutable proof the man has taken a mace or two to the head. The armor perks are utter ass on 2.0, i've been infusing all my pre-update armor.

If the raid is so easy, why didn't he get first?

Okay, stop. You need to actually provide THE EXACT CONTEXT AND POSITION ON IT. First of all, 1. "Raid being too easy". For starters, World First Race were in contest mode, which was a significantly tougher fight, than the current Raid experience. That was his main complaint, that ultimately, the lack of Prestige mode, means the Raid itself is still lacking that more challenging version that's available. 2. Levelling too easy, is relevant, when a Season Pass has only 100 levels. What happens to Datto when he gets to 100? Also he didn't complain that levelling was too fast, but more that it wasn't that interesting and the post 100 stuff has some doubts in regards to WHAT people will even get rewarded with. I go to work, and I'm level 60. It's not that hard to get that Pass up in the space of 70 days. 3. Armour 2.0. It IS a good system. Sitting there, whining, because you can't masterwork everything Week 1, is your personal problem. Realistically, most armour doesn't actually need to go above Level 7, which doesn't require much materials at all, and most armour at level 7 is compatible to Armour 1.0, available mods excluded. But when you DO masterwork it, THAT LAST FOREVEERRRRR. You will NEVER need to do it again, that's the point. If you find a BANGING piece of armour, you get to keep that. Same way if you find a god roll weapon, you can find god roll armour, and then you can invest in that. The only real "issue" is element, and honestly, that basically only revolves around element defence, which isn't that big of a deal. But regardless, there not gonna be a big shift again in terms of available mods and armour. If you got a Enhanced HC Targetting mod tomorrow, that's forever. That's not on 1 piece of armour, that's every Void aspect armour, till the game ENDS. That's not remotely a bad system. Period. Accept that Armour 2.0 is a long term system, not a short term distraction.

Leveling too easy??? It's because he spends every waking minute of his day playing this game and grinding for rewards. Sorry, but I think the level grind is fine right now. A lot of us weren't even at 920 light before Garden released and therefore weren't even able to try it on day one. Streamers can get there faster than us because they have the hours logged in. 'Raid is too easy'. Problem people have been having with previous raids is that there really is no good starting point for new players and people wanting to start raiding. They are super mechanically demanding. I've played every raid barring Spire of Stars, and I can agree. EoW is the easiest, and I haven't even completed it because Memesiris irritated me and nobody wants to play those older raids. It's a nice starting point there, but after that? There's really no in-between. Leviathan/SotP are a bit more difficult, but there's still a lot of room to screw up with things being very unforgiving when one thing goes wrong.(Dogs/Calus/Gauntlet, Berserker/Insurrection Prime P2) Then after that, Crown of Sorrow, Spire of Stars, and Last Wish are very, very mechanically demanding. I'm glad Garden of Salvation seems to be on the more moderate difficult side of raids. We really do need a balance of easy, moderate, and difficult. We really have no actual in between and this raid seems to be that. Datto just sounds like he wants everything to be catered STRICTLY to him and the elite players. Bungie has learned in the past that catering too heavily to one side of the player base drags the other side down and ruins the experience for them. That was when Destiny 2 first launched and it was overloaded with casual content and changes to the point even the endgame content was just... casual content. Do we really want to keep digging at the Hardcore pandering? I think we're in a fine state as is. My new friends I'm helping learn the basics of the game, playing strikes with them, helping them with Exotic missions and quests, and eventually I hope to bring them into raiding. Yet the only raid I can think of to start them out in is Eater of Worlds, and then? I don't know. Leviathan? But even then most of that raid is just mechanics. There's minimal DPS phases that actually... matter. Lamps and Dogs aren't bosses and are stupidly easy to melt. Calus would be the only actual challenge.(that doesn't revolve around RNG 'gotcha b****' moments like in dogs) As for SotP? It's pretty laid back, honestly. Even to the point where one of the encounters has three people do nothing but shoot shanks and a servitor for the entirety of it. Bungie, I doubt you'll ever read this but-- Keep doing EXACTLY what you think works and will make the game feel very rewarding and fun while also keeping in mind all of your new players that may want to stay for the long run. If you over complicate everything and make things absurdly difficult and grindy like the streamers want? You're just going to have the elite players playing your game. For the love of god, listen to the MAJORITY of your player base this time-- 1) DON'T MAKE THE POWER GRIND HARDER OR LONGER 2) RAIDS CAN VARY IN DIFFICULTY AND COMPLEXITY, THAT IS FINE 3) KEEP BOTH PARTIES IN MIND WHEN MAKING DECISIONS ABOUT CORE PARTS OF THE GAME, NOT JUST ONE.