That's a complete misunderstanding of how exploits work. They didn't PUT IN an exploit. That would mean it isn't an exploit at all and was the true intended way for everybody to turn in tributes, which it obviously was not.

Well they did put it in. Whether or not it was intentional is a different story. But still, did they punish people that did the core exploit? Why just this one and not that one?

To put it in themselves would specifically define it as adding a flaw [i]intentionally[/i], which they've made pretty clear they didn't do. In what right mind would it make sense to put in a way to shortcut every tribute intentionally after all that effort to make the tribute system? People figured this out on their own. How can they even punish people for the cores exploit? Those people were claiming duplicate pinnacle weapons and then dismantling them to get the cores. They can't take away guns that don't exist or disable cores that are already consumed. This isn't the same situation. It's more important to [i]stop [/i]exploits and use appropriate speed in reacting to different kinds of exploits than it is to be expecting equal punishment for EVERY exploit. A punishment isn't always deserved for everything and it's not possible for every punishment to be equal.

Well they did put the exploit in, since people were able to use it. It just wasn't intentional. And not punishing people that did the cores exploit but punishing this is just dumb. Punishing people for finding an exploit in a patch that they released and supposedly tested, is just plain dumb

Exploits aren't [i]features[/i]. You don't "put in" an exploit on [i]purpose[/i] as if it's something you're [i]meant [/i]to abuse. If Bungie meant for us to skip the process of turning in tributes, they'd have given us a clear path themselves. Not make it something someone randomly figured out by happenstance switching between characters. [quote]And not punishing people that did the cores exploit but punishing this is just dumb.[/quote] A starting point to them changing their policy doesn't mean they have to retroactively punish every past exploit that has ever happened... Let alone even if they [i]could[/i]. Wouldn't that just be a monumental waste of developer time that could be spent on future updates or being more thorough at discovering exploits before patches are sent out instead? [quote]Punishing people for finding an exploit in a patch that they released and supposedly tested, is just plain dumb[/quote] That's like saying shoplifters shouldn't get punished when they get caught if a security guard didn't see them coming ahead of time. Saying "you didn't protect it good enough" wouldn't change the fact that shoplifting is wrong and can be punished. Same thing applies to anyone who tries to use the bad excuse of "but it's in the game".

The security guard analogy is just as bad. People wouldn't get in trouble if they don't notice the shop lifting and need a reason to look at the tape. They don't just look at tape to see if someone shoplifted. Also, it being in the game is a valid reason to not punish for it. They may not have intended for that exploit to be put in the game, but nevertheless it is there. I mean why do they have to punish people for using the exploit? It literally has zero impact on anyone

They're caught. When or how or why anyone went looking is irrelevant. Getting away with it doesn't [i]absolve [/i]anyone, and doesn't mean there [i]shouldn't [/i]be punishments when they're caught. Bungie has reasons, morally and socially good reasons, to punish any abusers of this exploit they decided is unacceptable and unfair to other players. [quote]Also, it being in the game is a valid reason to not punish for it.[/quote] How so? The mere existence of an exploit doesn't make it right to use and abuse it. You're not doing something ignorable just because you don't think you did something wrong that's blatantly wrong. This is also a slap on the wrist as far as punishments go. [quote]It literally has zero impact on anyone[/quote] I'm pretty sure all the people who didn't do the exploit feel impacted. I bet the devs who worked hard to make this whole tribute system for weeks and weeks sure were impacted. Why bother to make any other activity take time or be engaging if they're expected to allow people to just skip all the effort and still get the rewards without [i]any [/i]consequences?

Ever think about not making such ridiculous requirments?

You only care because streamers cried after wasting precious materials. The irony is its only the kids in college who can get these guns fast.

It might not be what you are "aiming" for but a punishment is exactly what it is. It is something used all the time in real life, so to try and deny that it is a punishment is rather foolish. Didn't obtain something by certain means? That thing is then taken away as punishment.

Why shouldn’t you get the gun legit?

Never said you shouldn't, but there is no denying that it is a punishment. To try and claim it isn't is just plain foolish.

So you think they went out of their way to deprive you of the gun? And yeah you are saying you shouldn’t have to get it legit. That’s exactly what you’re saying.

What are you talking about, I am starting to think you have no clue what you are talking about. First off I didn't use any exploit, second they didn't take the actual gun away from anyone, they locked the catalyst and emote. And yes they did go out of their way to do it, they basically said that they were locking those items for any players that do not have the actual triumphs completed. I am simply saying that it should be called what it is, trying to cover that up is utter nonsense. It is a punishment plane and simple. Those that obtained the catalyst and emote through means that Bungie does not approve of or like, are having said things locked away. They can still earn them back, but that doesn't change the fact that it is a punishment. It is the same type of punishment we use many times in real life, where in if you obtain something through unacceptable means it is taken away from you.

Its not a punishment. Lets say you got caught shoplifting, the guy decides to let you off and not call the police. Would you complain to him that you should keep the stuff you stole? Or how about this, lets say you figure out a way to access the Moon patrol zone before Shadowkeep drops. You go explore, the exploit spreads and others do. Then Bungie fixes it so players can no longer access the Moon until Shadowkeep officially releases. Would you then cry that you're being punished because you can never longer access content you were not supposed to access? Its the same thing, the people who used the exploit knew what they were doing, knew it was not the intended method and took that choice. They have no right to complain that the issue got fixed and they now have to earn those things the same as everyone else. Anyone saying its a punishment is really coming off like a petulant child.

Actually the first one is still a punishment, it is just a very light one. The second one technically isn't because you didn't really have/take anything. Your second example is more like someone going into a museum before it is open and being sent outside until it is open. They didn't really take anything they didn't really have anything in their possession. Technically the only thing they took was knowledge, which can't really be taken back, so that type of punishment is impossible, at least for now. I do find it funny that in your attempt to try and show that it isn't a punishment you give an example that technically is a punishment with your first one. Again it is extremely light but it still is one. No punishment would be getting to keep everything you have taken. Much like how Bungie has not punished people for doing things like resource farming, or exploiting the vendors for shards, or stopping the timer in zero hour. There was no punishment for any of these things, the issues were simply fixed (for most of them at least).

Its not a punishment, having the goods you stole taken back is a punishment to you? Really? Are you 12?