[quote]Bungie can start the balance by adding a normal mode to all raids as D2 should have had when it released[/quote] Isn't every raid a normal mode raid from default? Not sarcasm, just asking. If anything I thought people would be asking for hard/prestige mode to come back.

Personally I don't mind the grind I have mental health issues, a good farming sessions helps me relax. Things like raids are not something for me I have trouble interacting with people especially one I don't know, but that's one me not bungie. I still enjoy playing destiny, the argument between so called hardcore and casual games is getting a bit out of hand. We are all games that play the same game to put certain people on different sides is silly. Just keep playing the game the way you like and enjoy yourself no matter how many hours you put in or what your favourite parts of the game are. Show your fellow gaurdians some love it never cost anything to be kind. You never know what someone else has been though. So just be kind <3

This game is not hardcore, its not that grindy, its pretty easy generally speaking. No. They arent holding the game back. Theyve done a perfectly fine job trying to acommodate both parties. E.g. Menagarie and Heroic Menagarie (loot bug aside) is an activity for both types of players. Dungeons tooo, more of those would be nice and they are indeed coming.

its a carrot and stick thing. Its meant to suck in EVERYONEm, casual or hardcore, its MEANT to keep them around, to make the game their habbit, their hobby, something theyll pour money into reguardless. But, the terrrrrrible RNG and requirements are geared towards streamers/hardcores, but its unjustified because the loot pool is a JOKE. There's no MEDIUM. Its either you DO or you DO NOT have quality gear.

While I agree that the game isn't necessarily made for either end of the spectrum of players. I'm convinced, this is the game that bungi wants; to cater to those who play the game habitually no matter how much they play a week. At this point you either are having fun and feel like spending your free time in the game or you spend less time than all of your free time playing it, while making time for other games/important things.

There's nothing hardcore about this game. Only things that come close are Calus Tributes and Titles. Everything else is RNG and balancing for PvP.

Bungies biggest fail with balancing is 1) no seperation between PvP and PvE, in any aspect. Guns, Gear, perks, supers, nothing is seperate between the 2. The same perk should be seperate in PvP and PvE. But theyre not. Say Rampage (picking at random because its the same with every perk/weapon/gear) is OP in PvE and ok in PvP. If it gets nerfed to balance it in PvE to make it just viable it destroys it in PvP making it unusable and worthless. Thats why its impossible to balance guns/perks/gear and what forces metas. 2) no dedicated servers and no region lock, especially in PvP. It kills this game. Battlefield has done it for years, yet devs like bungie and activision think its an inpossible task because theyre greedy and money hungry. Without those 2 things this game will never be balanced. It will always stay messed up in every area and the devs will never accomplish anything

I agree with a lot of what you're saying, though I'm not sure about a 'normal' mode raid. The raids really aren't that hard and I don't say that as some type of brag. Usually it's just a case of keeping in mind a couple of mechanics at the same time as killing adds. If we stripped them down more it would really just be glorified strikes, which we already have. The most difficult part is probably getting groups but a quick 2 min google search would come up with loads of gaming communities that do sherpa runs all the time. I get what you mean about forcing players into modes with quests. I'm not totally against that as I get that there has to be something to do to unlock stuff, however it becomes a problem when those activites are with other players because then you have people playing one activity but for different reasons. Just look at the strike playlist mess with wendigo this season - players were forced into stikes to grind it but what really happened was players would load in and wander off farming, while anyone that was there for the strike was getting annoyed soling it. Same with gambit and the hush bow. There's a reason bows aren't meta, but here's a competitve mode where players are encourged to farm bow kills. I played a lot of gambit over the last few days to farm the meatball and most matches had a least 1 player using a bow and that's not good for the team. They kill adds slower and often those players were clearly not bothered about the objectives. I do think there's other things they can do, like have modified pvp modes. Have your sweaty <1 sec ttk modes and other modes where the rules are modified a bit, maybe guardian hp is 200% or something. They've said they are going to do a lot more with strikes next season so hopefully we'll see something there. I loved D1 strikes and would happily spam a few hours here and there on them. D2 strikes just aren't on the same level (yet).

[quote]Update strikes giving it specific loot.[/quote] This phrase is key for me because the osprey is holding me back from the wayfarer title. It wouldn't be such a mind numbing grind if I could do it in the normal strike playlist.

Exactly what they do with Competitive. Reset points every season and a cap on 5500 point so only a select amount of hardcore pvp players and cheaters can get the guns. It messes up the competitive ranking and fair matchmaking. The new way of the Revoker is way better. They should do this for all the pinnacle competitive weapons in my opinion. The fact that it is so sweaty in crucible nowadays is just because casual players gave up on Luna, Recluse and Not Forgotten. Hopefully the Revoker quest is the changing point on future quests on pinnacle crucible weapons. I do still hope they change this for the older guns too even though I have most of them. But for a better and more fun experience in crucible for everybody I really hope they do.

No response from bungie. I swear, I've seen some good thoughtful posts from the allfather, but bungie doesnt seem to notice. Who could not notice the allfather with all his wisdom?

Streamers/Youtubers advertise the game, bungie will always cater to them more. Unfortunately for casuals streamers are hard-core so content will be more grindy.

As a casual i feel so stressed when playing because there are alot of stuff that i have to get which will take a lot of time I feel so overwhelmed and shut the game down lol.

Bungie is fairly obviously struggling with all the different types of content it offers. Which is evident by all the small things they do to entice players into playing all the different modes. "Come do some strikes for Powerful Gear" "Lets grind some Gambit for Powerful Gear/Exotic quests" "Please play PvP? Anyone? No? HA -blam!- YOU EXOTIC QUESTS ARE NOW ALL REQUIRING PVP" At the moment they have: Patrol Zones (With, Patrols, Public Events, Bounties and Adventures) Heroic Adventures Strikes Nightfall Strikes Forges Escalation Protocol Blind Well Menagerie Raids Gambit Crucible All as ways to get "Powerful Gear" as well as split the playerbase thinner and thinner across them all. Even more so when some of this stuff has no matchmaking, so people have to AFK while they use the Companion App to find teams to tackle some of this stuff. THEN they also further fracture the playerbase by having innane Pinnacle quests that cause people to find ways to cheese stuff (I.e. Cheesing Wendigo by just doing Blind Well instead of The Corrupted strike. Doing whatever FotM cheese to get Recluse/Mountaintop etc) Ironically, with trying to get people to play all these different types of content, they actually cater more towards casuals than hardcores. If we take the definitions as Casual Gamer being people who play intermitently while Hardcore Gamers play a lot. Basically, the most efficient way to get rewards is... Log in once a day, do all your daily Powerful Gear rewards from the different content and then log out. A very much casual way of progression. The exceptions are things like running Menagerie over and over (If you have enough Runes) as well as maybe some of the massive grinds for Pinnacle and Exotic quests. So, really, if you want to start catering towards both types of players, you can do things like change the way that rewards are given. So its less about "Play all these different things once per day" and more "Go do stuff you find fun and loot will drop" As well as consolidating down some of the activities that are similar. Such as how it's pointless having Heroic Adventures playlist after your light is high enough for the Heroic Strikes. Also, similar with what's the point in Heroic Strikes, once Nightfall Strikes are available (Other than currently, matchmaking existing for only one due to... Reasons?). You could literally just consolidate the Vanguard section into Adventures/Strikes/Nightfall based on Light level, and give increasing rewards for each type of content (To prevent cheesing low Light Level to do easier Adventures for loot) Raids could also become more accessible through simpler matchmaking versions, while the tougher versions could still require pre-made teams but give more loot. (Sort of like how Menagerie works) Gambit could be deleted and there would be much rejoicing.

Bungie just wants as many no lifers as possible, their not even concerned about big numbers on end game raids etc, they just want those hours played padded as much as possible. Hence why all that bull about armour 2.0 has just turned into yet another armour reset with eververse turned into ornaments.

This game is a job, catered to elitist neckbeards. The non-stop grinding with little to no reward is ridiculous.

One thing I agree with you on. Since D2 came out less and less people have been running raids. You can check Destiny tracker. I remember back in the day almost everyone on my friend list would be have at least completed normal raids Vault of Glass, Crota, and King's Fall raid. You could just see it by the gear they had and emblems. I think out of everyone on my friends list now, maybe only 5 out of maybe 50 players completed any raids in Destiny 2. I agree that adding a normal raid mode would help players. And have a second mode called Mythic that benefits the hardcore, have Mythic raid drop better or more loot. That is one thing that turned me off from doing raids in D2. I just don't have the time to sit there and wipe for 4 hours straight till everyone learns the raid. Vault of Glass was a good example of how raids should be done minus the glitches and exploits. most of that raid relied on gun skill and let certain great players shine. Let the people who are really good carry the team, and didn't require every single person to know all the encounters. And all this stuff about symbols and things like that, it confuses people. Many people can't even talk on a mic. Some people have children and wives outside of the game. These people still want to get end game loot like 1k voices or Anarchy. The other thing is Nightfalls? What is the point of them? I know back in Destiny 1 it was a way to get exotic drops. Now I just don't understand what is the reason to do Nightfalls, they don't increase your exotic drop rates as far as I know. And the scoring thing seems kind of pointless to me. I stopped running nightfalls since they became just strike with modifiers.

It is designed as such because it is a monetary business design. It is easier to work off what could entice sales than it is to create content. D1 had that passion project feel... D2 has that we pieced together what people liked and put it in packages to sell. I am not saying this negatively or taking away the hard work that has been put into what we have... But when the majority of the rewarding content is from d1 like mida, last word, thorn, armor etc... that is the very thing activision has done to its consumer base for years. Re-sell We get the great pieces to chase after things, but the focus was to sell said things rather then really dig in and offer something cohesive. D2 is very bipolar as of now. The raids are very team dependent for a huge base. Some call this “hardcore”.. but it puts off many teams due to the poor rng and time invested with the added pressure of not wanting to be the one to cause a wipe. Pvp is being controlled by tryhards, skilled, and cheating players... like comp.. full of account recoveries due to needing to hop on a lower level account to help lower level players that can not create teams, deal with comp, or have low skill. Pve is odd because its core design is the exact same game of year one. Same strikes that are easy as can be, self dictated nightfalls of the same strikes, dungeons that are amazing but become useless once you are done with them, and a way out of wack economy that bungie is trying to fix by giving us things to drain our hoarding from the earlier poor designs. The average player mentality then also ruins a bunch of ideas.. Like factions... bungie tried to make factions mean something.. but the majority of players just joined all 3 factions with three characters or swapped factions each time an event came around... then why have them if players are not dedicated? That’s on us, not bungie.. Hardcore, casual, noobs... means nothing. They are so lose in meaning and varying to who you ask that they are labels with no solid ground to most players. The point is, the surroundings dictate the environment. The game had issues all around as well as the players.... but if the game becomes cohesive, balanced (to s point), and constantly fun, new, and rewarding... it will be just that.