Disclaimer: this isnt cheating they did not alter the netcode or used anything that impacted the game itself. so do not contact or harass or do anythig with those players.. they did not do anything forbidden.. so people were asking me "what could possibly be the harm of putting grindy Pvp requirements intot he game ? or quests like redrix where you have to put an ungidly amount of repetitive time into a single activity.." well this.. 5 man afk with macros .. so that they dont time out and get valor ranks automatically without having to spend too much boreing time in front of the screen in activityeis they do not like.. its the same thing mankind has done for eternity.. repetitive grinds automated,.. grinding corn? invented the watermill or used a donkey to grind. same with basically every other repetitive and boring reoccuring activities.. humans invented automation.. and now we are here: - forge glitch for planetary materials, - pvp glitch for valor ranks why? because the grind was annoying, not rewarding and tedious and people turned to automate this rather than to endure this =) solution to this particular pvp issue? have PvE and PvP versions for pinnacle weapon quests and have pinnacle weapons for both activties.. (or at least make some good ones for pve IN pve.. its bit "weird" that the go-to Raid / PvE loadpout is an PvP alltars. - Swarm of the raven - Iron banner - Recluse - PvP Pinnacle - Mountaintop - PvP pinnacle where Oxygen SR3 - Vanguard Pinnacle weapon Delirium 23% - Gambit (Half Pvp) weapon Hush - Gambit gadget weapon are "funny" weapons but nowhere hear the usability in PvE like the PvP pinnacle weapons.. (apart from the sniper and the redrix pulse) so yeah, gratulations Bungie. its a BORE! =D