Bad Juju quest is [b]NOT[/b] meant to be completed in one day. The 300 second timer after the Menagerie is to explore the whole place, [b]NOT[/b] to use an exploit system. I feel like I have to come on these forums time to time just to make sure kids like you don’t brainwash everyone else into thinking dumb stuff. Please stop spreading nonsense.

I'm kind of laughing right now, not because of what you said, it's because if the rumors are right things are about to get a lot worse when it comes to grinding. Bungie's thought process is waked, this is not meant to be an insult to them but forced play is a hell of a lot worse than people wanting to play. It's kind of like a job that if the boss is mean, let's just say, they're not going to get the performance from their employees vs a boss that buys lunch, has BBQs, gives bonuses, complements the employees for their work performance, etc... People quit jobs like that that it becomes a high turnover that doesn't benefit the company. Bungie thinks if that are mean that this is how to keep people around. Meaning, overdoing the grind, overpricing items hoping that will get their player time spent in this game. I don't get that logic and I don't want to but they need to take a long hard look at themselves and see what they are doing wrong and start doing right by the player base. Oh, and handing things out like candy? that doesn't help this game 1 bit. Tess is a prime example of that on how Bungie ruined the incentive collection certain items because most of Tess inventory has no value that most can care less about what they get from Tess.

In destiny there is no such thing as fun there’s only frustration, tediousness and chores. [spoiler]also fair doesn’t exist in the destiny universe.[/spoiler]

"Oh, by the way, a pinnacle PvP weapon is required for MoT, even though the vast majority of you hate PvP, and are tired of being forced to play it to progress." "We will force it down your throat, and you will play it whether you want to or not!"- Bungie I instantly stopped caring about MoT when I saw that I had to play PvP cancer. This game is a job and catered to elitist, no-life neckbeards.

You guys had your chance in D2 vanilla and you blew it... :p

Meh you had plenty of time to cheese so suck it up princess. "please bring back infinite chests so I can get easy loot because that is only fun and not grinding, grinding no fun"

I did 400 forges runs. About 150 or more on Bergusia (need to see tracker). About 200 runs total for Blast Furnace. I still don't have roll I want. Moreover, of all guns I saw only 3 curated. Not 3 curated models, no, just 3 curated items. Yes, I got 10 Le Monarques (9 from Bergusia, please don't tell me to forge powerful frames there) and 3 Jotuhns (2 of which this month). I played over 900 hours, yet my titan still lacks Stronghold. It's the only exotic I don't have (other than quest/raid related). I've done 700 Gambit matches, 200+ in Prime, Collector Triumph, 50+ Reckoning 3+2 (only 3 have tracker) runs, but not a single Spare Rations. For about 50 Menagerie runs in which I opened 5-6 chests, and sometimes got 2 items per opening, I farmed mostly revolvers (minus Pribina). Not a single roll I want. Two days ago I tried new Menagerie, and... I couldn't find a team for quite long time, then we had 4-men run, then we spent10 minutes on Lamplighting with another guy waiting for someone and quit. I can't even use my puwahfewl ree-worts this week, as no one seems to be there at time I can play. I'm not Esoterickk to solo everything.

10 hours a week is plenty enough time to steadily progress. And don't people just like to play the game? I recently played some QP, Gambit prime and strikes just because I like to kick back, relax and play something I enjoy. I didn't even care about getting powerful gear.

Want to know the secret to enjoying Destiny... Don’t care so much lol. I used to care and get upset about many things they did in the past. I had to have everything in the game and would get extremely mad when Bungie messed up with a glitch or changed the game in a way I didn’t like. Then they announced that we’d lose everything in D2 and I literally stopped playing Destiny completely, I felt like yrs of my life had been wasted grinding for nothing. Now I don’t give a crap what they do and it’s sooo much more enjoyable. I just grind for things I think are cool and forget about the rest. Triumphs and all that crap mean nothing to me now. What’s the point really ? For an emblem that you stop using the moment new content drops and you get a new one lol So my point is if you try and care a little less you actually have way more fun.

So like are you just complaining to complain? I literally had bad juju and the flawless mission triumph 30 minutes after reset lol. I don’t understand why it’s hard for you....

Ah, Bungie fails in basic psychology, the more you reward your player the more they'll want to come back. "Positive Reinforcement Positive reinforcement is using a reward for positive behavior to make sure the child continues with the desired behavior. It is the most effective method of shaping behavior because it is the most pleasant. For example, praise and reward are both used in positive reinforcement." "Positive Punishment If you present a negative consequence in response to negative behavior, you are using positive punishment. An example is using natural consequences – allowing a child to suffer the consequences for negative behavior – such as getting a bad grade when homework is not completed and/or turned in."

Bungie: the players will basically get to choose their loot at the end of the menagerie, they'll love it. Players: thANks fOr pATChing thIs bIG IDIot bungIE. NoW tOo hARd to GEt godROll. [spoiler]In All Seriousness, Why Didn't You Grind Out Godrolls Whenever They Announced 2 Weeks In Advanced They'd Be Patching This? Even someone with your play time could've snatched a godroll or two.[/spoiler]

The "grind" in this game is built around streamers and tubers. They have to have something they can "show off" and do a "how to" video then a review. Their little fangirls see it then run off to get it. Rinse, wash, repeat. Until players are made priority ibstead of streamers and tubers your grind is going to be 10x more than what the reward will ever be worth. And if its an exotic you -blam!- bet itll be around 20x more than the worth. 99.9% of exotics are just pretty trophies to fill up vault space. The .1% that are worth getting are random drops with no 100% way to get them. I bounce between la monarque, truth (whenever i get a gambit itch) and thats pretty much it except when im "helping friends" ill just pull random exotics out of the vault to mess around with, once im done back in it goes. Exotics are just vault trophies to show your friends and say "haha i have" then put it right back in So your grind is never going to be worth it, ever. Best way to play this game is to just embrace the suck, understand bungie doesnt care about you unless youre a content creator, and have some laughs with your friends. Go troll competitive, QP or strikes, use stupid weapons no one would ever use or just bounce around and aggravate the shit outa them. Theres always a way to troll and have fun. Good luck gaurdian