To late the nerf hammer 🔨 is coming down hard!! WHAMMMM!

Ok... This isn’t an issue just you have brought up... And there’s an issue with this idea. Hand Cannons are currently the most used weapon class in Crucible, no matter the platform. This isn’t by only a little bit, either. Compared to all other weapons, even Special Weapons, Hand Cannons have SIGNIFICANTLY more usage, always hovering around 30%. The only thing holding back Hand Cannons from standing even hirer than where they currently are is, in fact, Bloom. Weapons like LH/NF as well as other 180 RPM Hand Cannons are used so often on both Xbox PlayStation due to their lack of bloom. If Bungie removes bloom from 150s and 140s in particular, then that would skyrocket the usage of Hand Cannons in Crucible significantly, possibly to 50% of overall weapon kills or even higher. This would push all other weapons, aside from Shotguns and POSSIBLY (emphasis on that) Pulse Rifles, to under 5%, or even 1%. As it currently stands in terms of other Primary weapon types, combining their usage percent together is only 2% to 5% higher than Hand Cannons, which isn’t a good thing whatsoever. Again, removing bloom from other Hand Cannons would boost their usage even higher. It’s highly unlikely that Bungie would ever allow this happen, to let a single class take up 50%+ of all weapon kills in Crucible. While nerfing LH/NF may be an unpopular decision to many, there are those who, even those who have obtained one or both of these weapons, who agree that this nerf is very necessary. Removing bloom versus the nerfs to LH/NF isn’t a good conversation. LH/NF being nerfed is an exceedingly better choice, as they are problematic on console and bloom is the only thing keeping Hand Cannons from pushing out all other weapons completely. Now, will LH/NF be as strong as they are now once the nerfs hit? No. But they will still be strong. They’ll sport a time to kill of .80, yet be able to kill in two headshots + one body shot, something only 110 Hand Cannons can reliably do. As for Service Revolver and Recluse? Their perks require “windup”, or need a kill to get going. Kill Clip and Master of Arms aren’t just perks that activate naturally as you shoot. Getting two headshots is something that comes naturally, and getting a damage boost from getting a kill? That’s something you need to achieve through more than two headshots. All in all, removing bloom from other Hand Cannons IS NOT the solution. Also, do NOT bring up Hawkmoon and the fact that it could two tap or get a legendary one tap! The one tap was very early in that gun’s life, and even for expert players, it’s happened very rarely for them. Additionally, you’d have to rely on getting one of the three random bonus damage shots in a THIRTEEN ROUND MAG!! Magnificent Howl is significantly stronger.

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I haven’t whined about anything in 3 years. But I’m going to b!+<h about this. It’s bs you have to work so hard for a weapon only for you to nerf it because some whack weekend warriors who whine about everything because they SUCK! You should never neef any exotic either. Leave them alone. There’s always a way to beat something. I believe the fun is in figuring out the -blam!- in everything that people complain about. That makes you a better player. These whiners can go play pub g. Leave our hard earned weapons alone. You guys are like democratics. Always snatching defeat from the jaws of victory. Don’t go and blow it here. This is incentive for people to practice till they get good enough to handle such fine pinnacle weapons. Don’t penalize the worthy!!! I’m really trying not to use foul language here. But nerfing these weapons is a big pile of horse manure. That’s the nicest way I could put it. Prove yourselves the incels you must be if you nerf!!!

People gloating over their successful nerf petitions that were achieved by crying constantly in the forums... Here is the deal. You will continue to be pub stumped in Crucible. Wanna know why? Because the people that achieved NF/LH will find the next most effective loadout and keep pub stumping you. It doesn't matter how much you think of yourself. They achieved the guns by getting good. You achieved a nerf by crying, so... it is quite obvious what will happen next. A new meta will be discovered. Then everyone will cry about it. Then it will be nerfed. Then a new meta will arise. Then you will cry again. Then they will nerf that. Then there will be a new meta. Then you'll cry and cry. Then they'll nerf that. Then a new met-... 😀 Congratulations.

The problem isn't these guns or 180 hand cannons at all. The problem is deeper than that. As I explained in this post. https://www.bungie.net/en/Forums/Post/251925717?page=0&sort=0&showBanned=0&path=1

This nerf is the ultimate disrespect to players who earned these weapons. myself included. I agree other weapons need to be made better to be more competitive. Currently console is the only people complaining about the NF/Luna's howl.

its a complete kick in the balls to everyone who put a lot of hrs into getting the weapons and its a bit unfair. if anything the should have changed LH and kept NF the same. its a pinnacle weapon its meant to better than normal weapons from the loot pool. if you don't like getting killed by it then just try and get the weapon at least. its meant to be good!! i can see why people want it nerfed but it isn't the way. The 2 taps yeah that needs to be nerfed for sure but I feel like there butchering the gun for want. Bygones has the same ttk as LH and NF, AoS can 2 taps if you know how to use it. As soon as they nerf these weapons everyone is going to go to the next meta what will probably be (AoS, TLW , Bygones, Blast furnace and recluse) and so on. It's just shit that it came to this but Bungie also needs to stop putting weapons like these on for multiple seasons. How long till the community start -blam!- about that, like give it 2 months till recluse gets nerfed. Maybe if they gave certain weapons a small buff we could keep everyone happy here😢.

You guys are mad about the crutch being nerfed? Lol

Bungie Thinking 101: It’s easier to nerf one thing than it is to buff dozens I failed to mention the turd licker that’s been asking for this nerf since day 1 It is... [spoiler]-REDACTED-[/spoiler]

Agreed. Those weapons require skill on pc, recoil animation makes seeing where enemy is strafing impossible, so 3 headshots in a row at maximum rpm are very unlikely. After the nerf NF i believe will remain being great gun, but there will be 0 reasons to use lunas because of low range and having options like kindled orchid and waking vigil. [i]literally got LH a week ago[/i]

Finally the most OP broken and easy to use guns with not recoil at all will be nerf. For the record i got my Lunas months ago as a solo player playing 100% solo matches but the Luna + NF meta is really boring to me and i leaved Destiny 2 for that reason about 02 months ago. I hope the Crucible return to be fun place again with more variety. In other hand the abuse of high skills players with Luna or NF to noobs or far less skills players that have no means to compete with those guns will stop.