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Forcer X99により編集済み:
7/19/2018 11:43:01 AM
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Bungie can’t win, and it’s partially our fault
Community: “make PvP 6v6, we hate 4v4!”
Bungie: Makes PvP 6v6
Community: “What’s wrong with you?! We don’t want this!”
Community: “we want powerful exotics!”
Bungie: buffs exotics
Community: “nerf this right f$@&ing now!”
Community: “return D1 exotics!”
Bungie: returns exotics
Community: “we want new stuff, this is a sequel we are suppose to ONLY have new stuff!”
Community: “make the game difficult and more grindy!”
Bungie: makes a grind
Community: “I’ve done blah blah blah
Yeah, I think I’ve made my point. These are only a few of hundreds of complaints. Now, I have a question for all of you. Why the -blam!- even ask for something if you’re just gonna complain?!
Edit: “I wonder what everyone is thinking”
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29 通の返信I'm seeing a pattern here, and it's not the one you're thinking. It's partly the community's fault for not being specific enough when conveying what they want, but it's also Bungie's lack of insight and creativity that are at fault. They've been out of touch with their playerbase since they released D2, which has resulted in Bungie screwing up everything we ask of them. [quote]Community: “make PvP 6v6, we hate 4v4!”[/quote] Bungie gave us 6v6 but forgot the important parts that are needed to make it work like it did in Destiny 1: larger maps, improved respawn system, faster TTK, and stronger grenades and melee. [quote]Community: “we want powerful exotics!”[/quote] The problem here is that Bungie only gave high-quality buffs to a handful of them, and only created a few "powerful" (they aren't that powerful, just more useful and effective compared the other Exotics) ones like Wormhusk Crown and the Colony, resulting in those being used above many of the other exotics. You hardly see anyone using Hardlight, Coldheart, Skyburner's Oath, Many of them are still underwhelming/lacking even after they were buffed. We need [i]all[/i] of them to be powerful. [quote]Community: “return D1 exotics!”[/quote] We need old and new Exotics. This kinda falls into the aforementioned issue with powerful exotics. D2 exotics aren't as good as the ones we had in D1, which is part of the reason players were asking for old exotics to be brought back. [quote]Community: “make the game difficult and more grindy!”[/quote] There is an obvious miscommunication regarding difficulty and grind. There's 2 problems with this: 1) the quality of the rewards often do not match the difficulty of the activities, and 2) the "grind" isn't really a grind. A lot of it is really just RNG. That's not a grind. Quest lines, bounties, gear-forging, anything that rewards time invested--not chance--is a grind. RNG is just a lazy mechanic to compensate for the lack of content. It's fine to have a bit of RNG here and there, but not for nearly everything in the game. If things like the Exotics and Exotic Catalysts were all tied to long quest lines rather than relying on RNG drops, it would improve the game a lot. Of course, the other problem with this is the quality of the content vs the grind to get them. Making the content worth the grind is a problem that Bungie has been consistently struggling with in D2, far more than in D1. A lot of the content in this game is kinda crap. The Exotics, the Catalysts, the Strike-specific gear, Faction Rally rewards, the Raid gear, etc; a lot of it isn't worth the time invested in trying to earn them. The new Telesto Catalyst, for example, simply increases its ammo reserves, yet it can only be earned in the raid. Why? Shouldn't it do more than that, then? If not, then shouldn't it be placed in the loot table elsewhere? If that is Bungie's attempt to get more players interested in playing the Raid, it's a shameful and lazy one, just like them putting the Exotic catalysts behind the Faction Rally event. If they really wanted players to be interested in playing the Raids, then they should have made the Raid gear more appealing. They should have given the raid weapons perks that are unique only to them, and have synergy with the weapons' other perks like Redrix Claymore, and like the Raid weapons in D1's Wrath of the Machine Raid. They should have given the Raid armor 2 Mod slots, one for regular mods, and one for Raid Mods. You see where I'm going with this?
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2 通の返信honestly it IS a mix of both 'the community' AND bungie, but only one of these two is willing to accept responsibility.
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Bungie can't win because for every good thing they do, they -blam!- up 2 more. They listened and brought back 6v6, but then came out with the most stupid modifiers for the prestige raid and hid shit behind it. All while gearing up for another money grab event. That is why they can't win, they can't help themselves.
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1 返信Eqitxにより編集済み: 7/20/2018 2:03:50 PMWhen 1 million players ask for interesting content and 100 losers ask 6vs6 it's bungie's fault if they listen to those 100 imbeciles. No problem , we all uninstalled, let's see how it ends 😂
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Na youre missing the point. We dont like the foundation of D2. The core foundation. These are things like Tokens, lack of armor perks, lack of meaningful weapon perks, lack of a lot of stuff, even more repetition than D1, the way damage is taken and delt in pvp, and more. These are intrinsic to D2 and cannot be changed without a full reboot which isnt going to happen. At this point theyre just doing shit cause we asked them for it, but they know it wont appease the masses. And they also know that Forsaken will be condemned as well. [b][i]THEY KNOW[/i][/b]
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Yes and no. I think the majority of the blame goes to Bungie because they won't stick to a vision. Perhaps it's because they don't have one and are winging it at this point. In any case.. Guess what, 4v4 for Destiny 2,...Turns out it was better. For this particular entry it was better. And like everything else they tried to do at launch, they got bullied out of it by players that '' Didn't get it.'' And it's been the same way with everything else. Putting catalysts behind elitist, prestige walls for a grind. You can thank the players and the players alone for that one. So in essence it has become their game. Those players are designing this game now, not Bungie. Which is why I said yes and no. Before Bungie, now it's the players.
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1 返信You know it never occurred to these guys to MEET IN THE MIDDLE, Right? People want 6v6 but others want 4v4? Give them 5v5
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Kaishi Ritsuにより編集済み: 7/20/2018 11:08:16 AMNo no no no no They’re the ones who decided let’s make a sequel instead of an ever evolving game Don’t you dare look at us that way when we kept the game alive for a full title. This failure is on THEIR hands and they have done little to nothing to show the community they give a damn. Have they said “look we know the playerbase has dropped we know loot isn’t as exciting but we promise you in the next 3 months these updates will be worth sticking around for” Nope they were basically zipped lips all year 1 cause they knew they messed up way worse than they did with the original. But you know what’s cute Bungie loves to talk about $ for future content. Are you serious your games in this state and instead of patching fixing and balancing it you decide Screw it we will “do that aka not do that” after you pay us more money for stuff that could’ve and most likely should’ve been in the year one package. How is destiny 2 an improvement to the destiny franchise Bungie HOW? Do tell me so I can shut up and stop these oh so horrible rants y’all hate reading. I don’t like having to bash on a company I grew up wanting to join but as a guardian with 3400 hours in d1 Y’all really went too far back. And now Nathan (actor of cayde 6) is tired of this failure as well coincidence I think not. I hope Nathan sticks with 343 so Bungie lose another key component of their value. He’s a soldier not some exo skelly. Yet y’all potray cayde like a fool the same way you potray us your fans your customers the people putting the damn McDonald’s MCNUGGETS on your table for you to feed your wife or husband and kids. Stop ruining destiny cause it’s ruining gaming. Gems note give Chris Barrett and his group a damn raise. That guy did so much to save this game from dying off completely. Give him full credit for his work not “we here at Bungie have all been working hard” when it’s “most of us at Bungie are lazy and we steal credit of our own team members saying it’s a we project when we can’t all take blame for what we did. Chris takes blame and he works hard what does 90% of your company do though “Hey Victoria lets go get Starbucks with this $60 we just bagged from a PS4 sale” or hey deej let’s talk about something unimportant on a stream so our community can meme us to the moon like a rocket from nasa... Seriously To Chris B Thank you and your circle of hard working gamers for fixing the mess men like Luke smith left you with without proper tools to fix said mess. If he’s in charge of destiny 3 that game will fail so I suggest as a company Bungie takes care of its director problems. Oh and please Don’t cut the story a year before release again cause 3 strikes your franchise becomes irrelevant.
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TechnoKatにより編集済み: 7/20/2018 1:27:15 PM[quote]Community: “make PvP 6v6, we hate 4v4!” Bungie: Makes PvP 6v6[/quote] The issue isn't 6v6, the issue is that it's 6v6 where team shooting is king, there is no counter-play for face-value and maps are designed in a way that makes actually getting that sweet 1v1 fight so unlikely that it's not worth trying to even do when you can just roam as a pack and win. Players wanted 6v6 for friends and not feeling like 'that guy' when your 4th buddy has to sit out because you can only go in with 3 other players. In short: BUNGiE misread and made stupid changes that, while technically did what people asked them to do, made an okay PVP experience boring, dull and frustrating. [quote] Community: “we want powerful exotics!” Bungie: buffs exotics Community: “nerf this right f$@&ing now!”[/quote] Exotics, or "Legendaries" as every other -blam!-ing game calls the equipment above the purple colored "Epic" gear, in Destiny 2 were so underwhelming there was no reason to even call them "Exotic". With the exception of the ColdHeart and the Wardiff's Coil, none of the "exotic" features of the "Exotic" weapons made them "Exotic". So limiting players to one "exotic" weapon and one "exotic" armor piece was stupid because the number of actually "exotic" peices of equipment could be counted on a hand and a half. If you are going to make something seem like it needs to stand out and be carefully considered because you can only bring one item of that incredible stand out-ish nature, then you actually need to have that gear stand out instead of being "meh" or juuuuust marginally better. Legendary gear needs to feel Legendary. A handgun that buffs the damage of a sidearm that, when you kill something with, reloads the magazine of the handgun was okay, but not good enough at doing that to make it worth using over just a standard handgun and autorifle combo. Even the Mida multi wasn't god-tier because of it's Exotic Perk, it was just a really, really, really good scout rifle. That having been said, a game also needs to maintain Balance. The answer wasn't dialing the perks up to an 11 to the point that Graviton Lance's bonus damage and infinite range falloff per-burst made it a spammable sniper rifle replacement. That should have been obvious. But this is BUNGiE we're talking about. [quote]Community: “return D1 exotics!” Bungie: returns exotics Community: “we want new stuff, this is a sequel we are suppose to ONLY have new stuff!” [/quote] Don't even have to explain this one. Just got to point at Curse of Osiris. Having D1 exotics is good. Giving us an update that was literally just ripped from the D1 script with no effort or creativity put in to it is lazy and insulting in the original game's sequel. [quote]Community: “make the game difficult and more grindy!” Bungie: makes a grind Community: “I’ve done blah blah blah."[/quote] This one revolves around the same idea as the Exotics one, but it also the only point you have that's a valid argument. BUGNiE just turned the knob up to 11 after cutting player's experience gains and double the necessary experience to make the grind work. That is no fault of the player's. However, requesting more grind from lazy developers who have no shame and apparently no ability to create meaningful content is a mistake that even the dumbest of BUNGiE's fanbase should understand.
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1 返信1) Different people asking for different things. I NEVER asked for 6 v 6 in this game. In my opinion, doesn't work. Maps are too small for 6 v 6. I don't really care though, I'll just play rumble.
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1 返信Why do u guys still play. Seriously. This franchise has been like this from day one and it's the same old same old. Just stop playing
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People need to understand that Bungie can't make the game to suit every single person who plays it.Some people will like something that others will not.Its a game and people just need to deal with it.At least Bungie are trying to improve it with these updates and with whats coming in the Forsaken Dlc which i'm looking forward to.
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That would be true if the community all spoke together, which they don't. There are multiple groups within the community that clearly don't want what the VOCAL group is calling for. What one group asks, another will go against. It's half the reason this entire community is so toxic. (the other half being Bungie's scumbag moments. And there's some of those. Well deserved really) If anything, this would be a fantastic thing if not for the fact that this game is trying to do the impossible, which is please everyone. Many genuinely liked 4v4. Many are casual payers. Not EVERYONE wants an RNG grind, or even a normal grind. Destiny's community is made up of multiple types of players that all want the game to be made in THEIR ideal image, and is why no matter WHAT Bungie does, complaints will ALWAYS occur. Now, they seem to FINALLY have a goal and image for what they want Destiny to be, and it goes against many of the games players. Destiny is going to be a game that can be played constantly, going for the grinds that not everyone will want. Another reason these complaints are said is simply because they got old. 6v6 for example, it was fun....and then it got boring, old and frustrating again. For the record I don't think this, but I thought it for the graviton. I hope the meta changes soon...
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I think it's different people arguing each side. Those who are satisfied with the state of the game don't feel the need to comment on it. Like how nobody writes their congressman when everything's cool. It's only when a change is coming or made.
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no one asked for nerfs, those are maby some people who came to d2 for the first time but i seen no pots, and im betting my money no one wants all these buffs to get nerfed again after all the damage bungie done at D2 LAUNCH
