I don't want a effin miracle performed overnight that's simply impossible and I don't think everyone expects that unless of course they are delusional but most people have grown tired of the fact that most fixes that are in the works are things that should have been in the game to begin with and would rather of had Bungie just leave the game till it's ready but no there's an extra easy 80 quid in dlc and Activision can't have that. Just think of how tired of this crap people are if they went through it with D1 been there got the T-shirt so Bungie should have known better for D2 no excuses then with TheDivision pulling the same stunt as D1 and getting destroyed for it and now back to the same sh!t again with D2 only Bungivision feel that they wont suffer as bad a fate if not worse than TheDivision, where does this shit of lying to people to create a false hype/hope train end and I suppose we'll throw in NoManSky aswell to make it extra spicy because all those games when promoting what you where getting came out with false promises to lure more people into buying them by claiming that thay're the best thing to ever come out since sliced bread it's complete manipulation. I'm not saying it's a downright awful game that has no chance of being fixed it can be but will it be fixed in a decent way? who knows. The real question is should we have to pay for their mistakes again because with all the fails they kept knocking out of the park on a weekly basis with lack lustre dlc, half the dlc gear going in eververse, xp throttling, posting up a job for someone who has great ideas on how to monetize the game more, locking players out of base game content unless they buy the dlc, saying there listening while hiding away and not saying FA, getting caught and saying it was a mistake how did that get in there, bringing out an event like the dawning that's solely built for eververse a Christmas event during a time of "giving" where you got 3 free engrams a week which was generous but also included the illuminated engram loot so even harder to get the dawning gear loot so then your only option was to buy more if you were unlucky enough to just get ghosts and I was lucky to get the armour set and exotic ghost shell because of all the useless purple sparrows and ships I had lying around that made up 4k (100 bright dust per ship/sparrow) yet all this content that was "too hard to make" was easily enough put behind a "paywall" and not as reward as high-end end-game activity rewards like in D1 because if they moved it all to eververse and you can't get anything decent "cometic wise" anywhere else in the game and there is no reason to do the hardest activities in the game apart from a emblem, shaders and some glowing armour as a reward then people will just say eff it theres no point, complete it once and proceed to just throw money at Tess. With all this sh!t we're meant to act like they don't give a pish about our wallets and only care for the game? If actions speak louder than words... Also I have played many truly great games and never has the things that are broken with it made the game what it is LMFAO most of the great games never had problems throughout the whole game and neither did they have to be updated on a regular basis because of being released, rushed and full of bugs because they were great to begin with so maybe it's just me but either you only just started playing games and haven't played or know any truly great games or what a proper game is like or else you've just been playing all the wrong games. If you want I can tell you a bunch of truly great games that are fun to play that you can actually improve by playing them with a little intelligence and skill but they can be hard AF but what's the point if there's no challenge if you don't want the challenge go watch a movie (although there are some great games that aren't as challenging that make up for it by having an exceptionally great story, destiny not being one unless your into the grimoire lore) or watch some fool on youtube play it. So therefor you should in no way being using D1 as an base example of a "good game" when in fact it was more a forest fire that they just about managed to put out, simply put there are really great games that have came out that in the past and D1 vanilla was not one of them.