Wow. How many people here even played Destiny 1? You're not used to RNG yet? If you aren't you never will be. I spent three years playing, never got a full VoG set on [i]any[/i] class.

What were they actually thinking with the cap?! Also, 21/30 of my rewards were dupes or not part of the faction. I am still missing 5 pieces for a full set of weapons and armor, which I might not be able to get again. So much for a collection game.

No matter the game, RNG based progression or rewards is always a slap to the face to all players... yes you get lucky sometimes and some people are easily "hooked" by pseudo gambling mechanics in games like this, but ultimately it just reduces the reward level for skill or dedication. its a cheap and shallow way for developers to artificially makeup for a lack of real thought more often than not. a pathetic crutch that really shows just how little effort they put into the reward system. Destiny 2 is almost entirely RNG based when it comes to progression. the only non RNG factor is experience and token earning. everything else, is luck. There will always be players left behind because of stupid choices like this. Add on Microtransactions lootboxes, which have been 100% just an attempt to screw people over for 10 years, and you start seeing the real value any Developer or company places on their game... Ultimately people have been losing out on stuff due to RNG in games for over two decades... so believe me when i heart fully state that i despise RNG in general.

Kind of served me right though, as I've been using the Winding Cove/The Weep lost sector loot box glitch to get about 800 tokens. No way I was going to make the same mistake as last time by grinding though every activity every day only to end up with the same stuff over and over. Instead I spent about 2 hours whilst listening to music. Still didn't get the auto rifle, though!

It is, I could easily have 4000 legendary shards by now if it didn't!

Yup. All I wanted was the Dead Orbit coat for my warlock and I literally got everything except for that. About 2 hours of running back and forth in a cave for nothing..

It's a cheap time wasting tactic to keep you on the hamster wheel.

They need to remove the non faction based drops from the faction engrams. Under no circumstances should I receive a “faction engram” that doesn’t even give me anything related to my faction. I’m screwed out of getting the helmet for FWC, since I didn’t get it between the first TWO rallies and now the seasons going to change, which will change their gear offerings.

100% agree. It's ridiculous that after 30 rank ups, no sidearm. Leaves such a bad taste in my mouth

This is my first rally since I started the game late, chose Dead Orbit as my rally (GO SPACE EMOS) and was completely focused on farming and getting every piece of Dead Orbit specific gear. Got every weapon (some of them more than I should have... Escape Velocity) and ALMOST every piece of armor. Except the chestpiece. I got 1 helmet, 1 gauntlet, 4 legs and 6 bonds (cause warlock). But not a single chestpiece. And I just found out about the 30 engram limit. Why would you put a limit on something that is completely rng based and give out booby gear with em. Know what I find weird about this, the description for the engrams. "This engram will contain one faction item, as well as faction shaders and one additional reward." I think we can all agree that not every engram you get guarantees a faction item, despite the description claiming it does. I can only imagine how pissed off the PC players are about this..

To me, it's just another example of a badly designed game mechanic working at cross purposes to itself. They roll out a new Faction Rally, ostensibly to keep players playing or bring other ones back with the promise of new loot, then they cap the player's engram intake, essentially erase token farms, and on top of that, dilute the loot pool with all sorts of nonfaction items. Crazy.

It's crap when you hand in 30 engrams and never get the boots or the cloak. I feel trolled.

I don't understand why we can't just use the tokens to buy what we want to fcking buy. Turn in 20 tokens, pick one reward and also be given some shaders. If you can only rank up 30 times, you should be able to get the full armor set and weapons by then. You still grind for them, and you'll get what you want. I don't understand why the token system doesn't work like this right now.

What if you max out in one faction, make a new character and chooses a new faction? Would there still be a limit?

I wonder if any of you guys actually read things before you hit post? I'm not criticising the OP per se, it's just since this game came out the biggest complaint from everyone on here was "there's nothing to do. Where's the grind?" You now have a cap and to get more gear you need to grind milestones etc for the chance of getting the gear and now the forums are full of "tired of the grind" threads. If they allowed you to buy the gear (like they did in Iron Banner in Destiny 1) I'm sure a lot of people would be over the moon. Yet I would guarantee the forums would be swamped in complaints that the gear is too easy to get now. If you ever find yourself wondering why people at Bungie ignore 99% of threads it's because.... you don't know what you want.

I opened 100 tokens worth of NM packages, got the full Titan set. #roflcopter keep grinding noobs. Maybe if you didn’t exploit tokens, karma wouldn’t want to bend you over.

60 engrams for Dead orbit hunter, no helm.

well, on one hand you have the player that is farming tokens and not playing the events to get faction rep. so you could look at it like this is Bungie's was of keeping a leash on the player that is cheesing the event. this kind of player has an abundance of time to play games and will often exploit every chance they are given to cut out the stick and get the carrot sooner. Bungie wants Destiny 2 to have a longer life with the base game and each subsequent dlc that is going to be released. they learned as much in Destiny that players would actively seek out the easiest way to accomplish the goals that they set out in their shared universe, so they have taken action to limit the loot available from these public events. on the other hand, you have the player that is actively running faction bounties and joining public events to get tokens. you could look at it as if Bungie has set a goal to reach when collecting tokens. one engram is roughly twenty tokens. {1(20)=1}*30=600 it takes 600 tokens to reach the engram cap. 5 tokens for heroic public, 9 for enemy supplies, 3 for lost sectors... what i am getting at is that the average player has a couple of hours a night to sit down and play a game. Bungie has made it a feasible and attainable goal to have a chance to get the gear of the faction that you have pledged to. not a bad trade off. you can pick that apart to point out the issues and problems with the loot tables and what have you, but the system works.