[quote]For killing the game we all loved. No other game did it, you killed it yourself. Bungie, you are the ultimate Destiny killer. Btw anyone looking forward to Anthem? Edit: I never expected to see a post of mine blow up on the forums so I feel obligated to state why I feel this game will die. There isn't dedicated servers, Bungie never explained why we didn't get them either, we asked for years, a top requested feature and Bungie thinks we don't deserve it, they're partnered with activision who can set up such methods, so why doesn't Destiny2 have it? PvP might be fun for the minority who likes teambased shooters, but for us solo players it's miserable. PvP only has 2 playlists compared to Destiny 1's playlists with way more game modes and way more match up styles 1v1, 2v2, 3v3, 6v6. Why bungo decided to force us to play 4v4 teamshotting, we will never understand. The removal of red bars, while I understand that Bungie may have removed this due to player toxicity, they never implemented a replacement, how are we to tell if we're lagging or if someone else is? There isn't any long term goal for hardcore players like myself, we have nothing to grind for. Bungie made this game like any other AAA as of late, where you can hop in play for an hour then leave. What Bungie doesn't understand is that Destiny 1 was just like this, except it was worth playing because there was always something to do. There's no random rolls and I'm fine with this, but Bungie should've created hundreds of weapons that are all unique and have variety. While also having the mod system having an impact instead of just a +5 damage booster which is essentislly useless. There aren't any quests unlike D1, what are we striving for here? I don't have any exotic quests like D1, or any regular quests like D1. Quests were fun, nobody was forced to do a quest, so why remove them? Everyone on PC expected a chat system, for clans, global, shout, and lfg. They need to give console users a fair experience here too, and if chats are implemented on D2 for PC, console users should be able to type with a controller or a plugin keyboard, it's not that hard. There is so little variety among builds and players and everyone will be the same, so what's with all the reskins? We deserve better than that. Destiny 2 completly catered to casuals in every single way, because there isn't any money from us hardcore players, even though I'd gladly buy silver for emotes I think are cool to show support, but never again, not until you FIX THIS GAME. Private matches and Rumble should've been in Destiny 2 since week one. With private matches coming at around the same time as the dlc, players will be required to purchase dlc in order to get more well around experience and more to do that the base game should've included. I've read comments saying that this game should be F2P and I'm starting to agree, there isn't any real loot worth grinding for, since everyone can get everything so easily. What's truly sad about this game is how they're bringing back Destiny 1 weapons and gear, which isn't completly the issue itself, it's the fact that these weapons will be used more than any of D2 weapons or gear, for example MIDA. Why Bungie brought it back we'll never know, but isn't it sad that that most used gun in Destiny 2, a game that's supposed to be a sequel, has a Destiny 1 weapon as it's most used. That proves that none of these weapons are really worth it/good. Where's the hand cannon's with luck in the chamber or range finder or rifled barrel? Where is anything that stands out in this game completly? The only weapons that stood out to me imo were the class weapon swords, I've always loved class specifics, because it meant it was unique and special. Every weapon should feel like that. If they're bringing back old gear into a "new" game, bring it all back. Everything. I don't see why they can't. Bring back old planets for free, I don't see why they can't. Bring back player choice, I don't see why they can't. And for every other invidiual who thinks we expect too much from Bungie, are you serious? They had 3 years to get this game right. 3 YEARS. And you're telling me in all that time they really couldn't have rumble ready at launch? Where's my combined arms bungie? Did you scrap that completly? What's the point of playing Destiny 2 anymore, when Destiny 2 isn't even anything remotely like Destiny 1. It should've been a sequel with way more improvements. Instead we received an unfinished reboot. I'm for one, not sticking around for 3 years again just to have them reboot us again for Destiny 3, and then Destiny 4 after that. I'm not going to praise Bungie anymore for giving us features that should've been in the game already, I'm not going to sit here and wait to play a game I was supposed to love. Yeah, they completly sucked me in. I was so hyped for this game, I had high hopes because we gave them so much feedback I bet they didn't even know what to do with it. They could've shot for the stars in this game guys, but they didn't. Except they're giving us a repeat of what was in store for us in Destiny 1. I'll expect this game to be finished by the time Destiny 2 has it's own "Taken king" expansion. I'm sorry Bungie, fool me once shame on you, but fool me again and I'll just leave. I don't want to, I shouldn't have to, but there's just nothing left for us hardcore players in this game anymore. For anyone who thinks players will come back for the dlc, yeah if it's worth it. There's so many better games to play and I want to play them now. Which sucks, because I was hoping this game would be the one where I put a couple thousands of hours into. Tldr: I want to play Destiny 2 and love it, but Destiny 2 doesn't want me to play it. At this point I'd settle for clan chat in-game on PC and consoles, selectable 6v6 game modes, and rumble. Those are the only things that'd bring me back, because the dlc looks pretty lack-luster.[/quote] Very very good points. Im really hoping the DLC will be loaded with content like D1 with the same awesome look and feel as D1. The weapons, maps, quests, and look of D1 shiets on D2. D2 seems lazy and boring with empty looking planets. D1 looked awesome. Ive been playing D1 more and more lately. Imma hope and wait for Dec 5th but not holding my breath

Anthem has no PvP, and will not look like anything in the trailers. Also I hate the people pretending to be friends in the demo. [spoiler]wort[/spoiler]

Big D1 fan. Starting with beta. Couldn’t wait for 2. Very disappointed. Already paid for the dlc. Which will be my last. D1 I played most everyday. This game is actually boring. They should have and could have done a hell of a lot better. Ed

for $30.00 a month you get a hacking service that makes you shoot thru walls,around corners,take no damage.we pay for a service we aren't getting.boycott destiny.

Red Dead 2

Red dead 2 will take care of the remaining fan base if theres any left by that point. Battlefront II and COD will take a chunk.

Completely agree, Destiny is dead. It's unbelievable how jacked up this game is. Whoever the bonehead is who had these ideas should be fired. There is no excuse for this bogus game. It's Terrible.

Can’t disagree with your assessment. Its really heartbreaking. I thought we were still in early release or something. 👎🏻 I don’t understand how this kind of game release is still permissible, particularly after other game releases like this game’s predecessor, or No Man’s Sky. Its as if they aren’t learning from their mistakes, and to be honest, as customers, neither are we. We keep “buying in” to these kinds of things. They dangle some shiny baubles in front of us, and we bite. I expect this will continue to happen though, because there’s always suits at the top who care nothing about the elbow grease put into these games or their communities, so they can’t possibly allow for the kind of environment needed to produce the kinds of games that we want. They have a recipe for fast profits and like rounds in a revolver, they load up their ideas and ad campaigns, generate the revenue, and walk away onto the next round. Us, and the failed games, are nothing but casualties in their money war.

Dude, you typed way too much. Haha

I'm hopefully skeptical about anthem. I'm pretty sure its going to be another dumb game, but I hold out the hope to be pleasantly surprised.

It really blows my mind to see how, even with the ups and downs of D1, that Bungie can come to this game as Destiny 2. This seems like more steps back than forward with D2, and some really questionable decisions. Since the beta of D1 ive had so much fun and rolled with the issues without thinking of stopping but this version of a sequel is really a joke

2 hunters. Players like you killed this game.

lol the ultimate destiny killer kinda of reminds of me a little game called the division

Agreed. Bungie fix this pile of dookie. Exactly why I’m done with this game. Well done.

Wah wah wah... I am waiting for Beyond Good and Evil 2, though. But this has nothing to do with Destiny 2, I just want a game because I want it. Don't like D2? Fine, stfu and gtfo.

Never seen so many crybabies in one place.

No, anthem will flop

Anthem will flop.. no man sky vol 2.

Anthem is third person. Who -blam!-ing cares about it, it is nothing like destiny because it’s THIRD PERSON.

Anthem looks generic.