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9/18/2017 3:15:43 AM
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Destiny 2 - Worse than D1 - RNG in all the wrong places!

* Subclass Quests - RNG * Strikes - RNG * Crucible modes - RNG * Light Level - RNG * Mods - RNG * Faction gear - RNG * Vendors - RNG * Raid rewards - RNG * Trials rewards - RNG * Public Event rewards - RNG * Clan rewards - RNG * Shaders - RNG * Sparrows, ships, and ghosts - RNG from Eververse (and no more drops from raids, events, etc) * Ammo - RNG (and yellow bars dont always drop heavy!) * Weapons - STATIC ROLLS, no more rerolling to customize perks * Skill trees - STATIC TREES, no more mixing skills to customize playstyle * Infusion - STATIC 1:1 INFUSIONS, no more infusing any primary into any primary to customize playstyle, you get locked into using whatever weapons are highest light. So even if you prefer scout rifles, you'll probably get stuck with a useless sidearm * Clan - STATIC EXPERIENCE BAR, only 10,000 xp a week regardless of clan size. Does not scale. Large clans fill this in a few hours and get bored, small clans struggle all week * Perks - NO RNG PERKS - Luck in the chamber and similar perks have all been nerfed right out of the game and replaced with useless things instead * Xur - NO EXOTIC ENGRAMS - Xur now only sells starter/trash gear for a few shards. No more engrams, no more coins, no more weapon bundles, no more AMMO SYNTHS * Raid - NO RAID PERKS/LACK OF DROPS - Remember when raid gear helped you do better in raids with specific perks? NERFED. All these Calus coins from beating checkpoints and opening the locked chests, I should be able to at least buy cosmetic raid gear right? NOPE- SLOT MACHINE. Overall Destiny 2 is a much worse, heavily nerfed version of Destiny 1 based on these facts that are clear to anyone. Poor design choices all around. All the wrong things are RNG. 99,999 glimmer isnt enough when you need to blow 300,000 to get one RNG kinetic mod from the gunsmith to raise your light level. Shaders should be single use, but RE-USABLE - as in able to unequip them and apply them to a new piece of gear. Vendors should actually SELL STUFF, not just be casino slot machines all over. Strikes and crucible modes should be manually selectable, not RNG everytime. Clans need rework, as other than 4 clan engrams a week, theres not any other point to them, not even clan based pvp modes or anything. Destiny 2's biggest problem besides RNG is lack of content. Once you get your 4 clan engrams, beat trials and the raid, theres nothing left to do all week besides grind boring public events. Lost Sectors arent the "mini-raids" we were promised. Patrol and high value targets are unrewarding. Strike playlist isnt rewarding at all, and crucible is too random. No more grinding legendary engrams to manually boost light level, as all normal purples drop 10 light levels lower than what you need to even break even! No more grinding for god roll guns. No more grinding for OP exotics. No more leveling up gear. No more grind at all really, and the grind was a vital part of D1. Hopefully Destiny 3 will be the game Luke Smith promised Destiny 1 to be, as the first 2 games certainly fell very short. Perhaps a drastic change in leadership over at Bungie is necessary to improve this franchise. TLDR - Destiny 2 nerfed the best parts of D1 and replaced them with bad RNG designs and lack of content

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  • Amen brother. Endgame is severely lacking and quite honestly just flat out boring.

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  • 10 exotics engrams for Warlock... 10 exotic armor, not one weapon

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  • Reubenatrixにより編集済み: 9/19/2017 12:31:39 AM
    I hear ya bro. I wonder if they would continue to develop Destiny 1 if we all went back to it?

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    • I don't necessarily agree with everything you've listed, sure there's a lot wrong with Destiny 2 and the RNG of everything is both noticeable and UNFUN! But these are some of the things Ive noticed and others have noticed. Removed Strike and Crucible Streak rewards. armor no longer has perks or int/dis/str rolls, killing variety. Although now you can wear whatever the -blam!- you want. Lost sectors, chests in the wild, scavenger chests, and public events all have the same loot. Removed selectable perks on (almost) all Exotic equipment, killing variety. Removed more armor perks than they added as mods. Removed more weapon perks than they added. Removed more subclass perks than were added. Removed strike specific loot. Removed daily heroic story missions; added 3 weekly heroic story missions instead. Removed subclass customization. Added Exotic Sparrows; removed Sparrow Collection, Sparrow Horns, Sparrow types, tied Sparrows to Bright Engrams. No new race or anything character related. Nearly all enemies are recycled. Uninspired new classes with only two paths. little to no replayable end game content. a severe lack of variation in the armor department. None of the armor does anything special at all. 90% of the exotic perks are laughably bad. half assed vault with no categories. a -blam!-ing farming timer that gives you empty chests if you're farming too much. not a single new grenade. 2/3 subclasses are recycled. recycled exotics. Stupid token system for trials and the raid which rewards a random raid piece or trials piece below your light level.

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      • I -blam!-ing hated trying to get a weapon I wanted with a low drop rate only for it to roll some useless shit. Also, the raid weapons might not have does X more damage to Y. But the perks are -blam!-ing good. Full auto firefly scout? Um -blam!-ing yes! Look at also the ghost primus and the raid rocket launcher. Very cool looking and awesome weapons. Before anyone says "but till! The raid is supes hard!" It really isn't. You mother-blam!-ers just can't talk about which part of a chicken you prefer WHEN YOU GOT SHIT TO CALL OUT!. [spoiler]Stop complaining about the -blam!-ing game and the raid. Just pay the -blam!- attention and don't die[/spoiler]

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        • BIGwillestylzにより編集済み: 9/22/2017 12:42:58 PM
          Maybe doing the same thing over and over since 2014 has altered your perception. Maybe you are just tired of this game . Take a break and rejuvenate if you come back feeling great it was you. If you come back and the game still sucks than move on and forget about d2. Just because they ruined a great game doesn't mean you have to play it. I am thoroughly disappointed in destiny 2.

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        • AKにより編集済み: 9/22/2017 10:40:38 AM
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          Agreed as you said. Does get boring immediately after reset. There has been times when group just left the game since there were no more activities. Already at 304 missing boots to get to Max light. Other 2 classes floating around 300. Kinda boring.

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        • The grind is there, it's just not as fun as D1. The fact they have anti farming lock just proves they don't want D2 to be fun.

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        • Fixed rolls have single handedly killed the grind.

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          • I just uninstalled D2 because this game is trash. I have invested so much time, cash and defended this game for the last three years and I have had it! BUNGIE = IN GREED WE TRUST

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            • Bunghole got quite a few things right with Destiny 2. But they also seem to have taken 10 steps back in other areas.

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              • Well thought out and documented. Nice job. I am in total agreement.

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              • D3...if D2 doesn't get its shit together there isn't going to be a D3. This game is awful. Sure it was fun for 2 weeks but now what? the raid is a waste of time, strikes are a waste of time, crucible is a waste of time. All the end game/grindy stuff is a waste of time. At this point the only thing worth doing is getting on on tuesday getting your clan xp and powerful engrams hope you get something that helps you and then wait for reset and do it all again. But whats even the point in that? its not fun, its really bad RNG, and it really doesn't help in the end. All in all the game is already dead and it just started which is sad

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                • 10000000% accurate, already getting bored af playing this

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                • [quote]* Subclass Quests - RNG * Strikes - RNG * Crucible modes - RNG * Light Level - RNG * Mods - RNG * Faction gear - RNG * Vendors - RNG * Raid rewards - RNG * Trials rewards - RNG * Public Event rewards - RNG * Clan rewards - RNG * Shaders - RNG * Sparrows, ships, and ghosts - RNG from Eververse (and no more drops from raids, events, etc) * Ammo - RNG (and yellow bars dont always drop heavy!) * Weapons - STATIC ROLLS, no more rerolling to customize perks * Skill trees - STATIC TREES, no more mixing skills to customize playstyle * Infusion - STATIC 1:1 INFUSIONS, no more infusing any primary into any primary to customize playstyle, you get locked into using whatever weapons are highest light. So even if you prefer scout rifles, you'll probably get stuck with a useless sidearm * Clan - STATIC EXPERIENCE BAR, only 10,000 xp a week regardless of clan size. Does not scale. Large clans fill this in a few hours and get bored, small clans struggle all week * Perks - NO RNG PERKS - Luck in the chamber and similar perks have all been nerfed right out of the game and replaced with useless things instead * Xur - NO EXOTIC ENGRAMS - Xur now only sells starter/trash gear for a few shards. No more engrams, no more coins, no more weapon bundles, no more AMMO SYNTHS * Raid - NO RAID PERKS/LACK OF DROPS - Remember when raid gear helped you do better in raids with specific perks? NERFED. All these Calus coins from beating checkpoints and opening the locked chests, I should be able to at least buy cosmetic raid gear right? NOPE- SLOT MACHINE. Overall Destiny 2 is a much worse, heavily nerfed version of Destiny 1 based on these facts that are clear to anyone. Poor design choices all around. All the wrong things are RNG. 99,999 glimmer isnt enough when you need to blow 300,000 to get one RNG kinetic mod from the gunsmith to raise your light level. Shaders should be single use, but RE-USABLE - as in able to unequip them and apply them to a new piece of gear. Vendors should actually SELL STUFF, not just be casino slot machines all over. Strikes and crucible modes should be manually selectable, not RNG everytime. Clans need rework, as other than 4 clan engrams a week, theres not any other point to them, not even clan based pvp modes or anything. Destiny 2's biggest problem besides RNG is lack of content. Once you get your 4 clan engrams, beat trials and the raid, theres nothing left to do all week besides grind boring public events. Lost Sectors arent the "mini-raids" we were promised. Patrol and high value targets are unrewarding. Strike playlist isnt rewarding at all, and crucible is too random. No more grinding legendary engrams to manually boost light level, as all normal purples drop 10 light levels lower than what you need to even break even! No more grinding for god roll guns. No more grinding for OP exotics. No more leveling up gear. No more grind at all really, and the grind was a vital part of D1. Hopefully Destiny 3 will be the game Luke Smith promised Destiny 1 to be, as the first 2 games certainly fell very short. Perhaps a drastic change in leadership over at Bungie is necessary to improve this franchise. TLDR - Destiny 2 nerfed the best parts of D1 and replaced them with bad RNG designs and lack of content[/quote] This should be posted to all [i]Bungie[/i] employees. I've already gone back to D1.

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                • I got bored of D2 in the first 2 days...

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                • Okay.

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                • How can you say the game is boring when you only have one character level 20 lol at least play the game before roasting it lol.

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                • Maybe it changes when hard mode comes out.

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                • I think you are all playing the game wrong. I play at 4:00 in the morning for 3 hours than 3:00 for two since day one. Beat the campaign on first and week 2 and I am 290 with no other characters. I find the game the game fun and has a lot of content. A flaw I find is still crucible. You gotta have this gun or archetype, no variety. Unless you guys have beaten everything for that week or done your weekly milestones. There is still content. Work on other characters Mile Stones, Strikes, Nightfalls, Flashpoint, Clan XP Xūr Trials Reputation Mod Grind Planet Quests Exotic Quests RAID Adventures Do challenges with clan or something Lore Reading Lost Sectors Caydes Treasure Maps Buying Ships and Sparrows from Holiday Collecting Ikora's Meditations Exotic Grinding Do all the heroic public events Help people with the raid Its a loot based FPS that brings people together and you work your way around. I try to fit everything on one week except I have only one character that I have focused on.

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                  • I really hope we don't see a Destiny 3 for a long time. I think they should only expand on Destiny 2 now. I also really hope they bring the original planet maps into D2 (with updates ofcourse). It'll be sooooo cool to fly between all 9 areas. It'll be truly open solar system [which is what I hope it to become eventually]. :D

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                  • Want to call it unfinished? Or a beta too? I'm waiting.

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                  • You hope D3 will be what? This is the best this game will ever get. The sad thing is it's going backwards instead of forward. It's not just the things you mentioned, the fun factor is being removed from this game. Without incentive there is no motivation to run pointless content over and over and over again getting multiple of the same items that drop way below your level that is worse then D1. This is the same nonsense they pulled with Ttk that things were not adjusted until 7 months later. Bungie's biggest flaw at this point is the lack of incentive. Everything is so majorly watered down that Bungie lied that they fixed things after playing the beta. Everyone was saying "we are not getting that old build." Well guess what folks? [b]You are playing that old build with very little or No adjustments at all.[/b] They had the opportunity to actually make D2 an actual sequel after working on this game for over 10 years and the outrageous feedback from numerous ways over the last 3 years. I already knew what to expect so I didn't pre-order nor did I buy the expansions. Why would anyone invest in something to only have something that this company keeps saying "will fix later" that later has been push ahead for 3 freaking years from a AAA gaming company. This isn't a company that cares about quantity or quality in their game anymore. It's a contract with the Devil that they want to get it over with and move on...

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                    • It's as if they don't think out their own content "as a player".... very short sighted

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                    • Stopped reading after you said Xur only sells trash/starter gear. Did someone not buy Merciless and now are trying to tell people it's trash? Go back to Destiny 1 if you hate it so much. I have been loving Destiny 2 and think they improved in a bunch of areas. Sure they could use some improvements else where but they can't make a perfect game for every person. Everyone has different opinions.

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                    • Iron Wuにより編集済み: 9/20/2017 1:16:47 PM
                      re rolling perks is a bad idea. in TTK once i had the guns and rolls i wanted in an archetype i never cared what guns came out in DLCs for the vendors so it killed the extra grind content in DLC's which made guns lose their significance and identity.

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