Cozmo, Quite frankly, this patch shows the sandbox team's arrogant PVP First attitude and the fact that, in spite of recent lip service, they are CLEARLY giving ZERO consideration to the PVE community with regards to how specific balances will effect PVE. It is a crystal clear sign that can no longer be ignored as to why PVE and PVP balances MUST be kept completely, totally, and emphatically bifurcated so that they can balance weapons differently in PVP vs PVE. With that thought in mind, I'm going to post a link here giving a detailed post regarding how the sandbox team COULD have balanced Truth and pleased BOTH crowds with the same patch, IF ONLY they had thought about giving PVE players something IN EXCHANGE for the decrease in amount of rockets in the tube. Link here: [url]https://www.bungie.net/en/Forums/Post/222330941?page=0&sort=0&showBanned=0&path=1[/url] In order to spare you the details, I proposed that the total damage spread over the three rockets Truth held in 1 tube could be condensed and the damage of the SINGLE rocket could be increased to be equal to the total damage imparted by the three rockets. The ammo reserves could then be halved, so that total damage output isn't too far out of hand. The net result would be a PVP nerf, and a PVE BUFF in terms of total damage output. Here is an example of the math: Assuming Truth did 20,000 damage per rocket when it had 3 in the tube, if that damage is compressed to a single rocket, that would mean 1 rocket doing 60,000 damage total instead (this is equal to the TOTAL damage output of three rockets when it had 3 in the tube). The result is actually FASTER/MORE DPS in PVE, and it still keeps the PVP desired format for the sake of "balance." The damage total numbers look like this: 6 rockets at 20,000 damage each = 120,000 TOTAL damage. 3 rockets at 60,000 damage each = 180,000 TOTAL damage. EVERYONE can win, even with a single balancing patch applied to BOTH modes, but it requires a give-and-take approach in order to balance PVP interests with that of the PVE community. But first, this will require stripping out the PVP-FIRST mentality of the sandbox team and allowing PVE players to have input on what they would want in return for the proposed PVP changes. I think that is PERFECTLY reasonable. I invite your reply, though I doubt I will get one. [Edit] And I am only using Truth as an example here. They could literally take this approach to balancing in other situations and we can have a better overall net outcome for both communities.

Overall, I like the changes in [b]PvP[/b]. There are a few issues that I have though. Cauterize feels nearly useless with the three second cool down. High ROF pulses are weak now, well, the Clever Dragon archetype (this change is welcome, but it feels like the actual damage was put in a trash can). I am not happy about Truth. If we were given the reason for the reduction to the magazine, I think people would understand. People do use this weapon outside of PvP and it may be used less. I enjoy the change to hand cannons. The damage fall off is extremely noticeable and forces some diversity. Can fusion rifle users get an exotic that regens ammo? Yes, we have replenish and we have performance bonus. However, we don't have the luxury of Invective, sidearms, and Ice Breaker. Although, Invective takes 30-ish seconds to regen four shells. I think the regen time could be between 10-15 seconds. I'm not sure which fusion rifle would be best to have that capability. Edit: Forgot to specify the changes are decent for PvP.

[b]what do I like?[/b] Shotgun adjustments. And in air accuracy seems to be through the roof when I was playing patrol earlier, I like that. [b]hate[/b] Your obvious lack of testing before pushing out updates to our consoles. You've created a thread detailing inadvertently changed perks due to hungering blade. The fact you left this in the finished update clearly tells everyone that you don't test your changes across the board until last minute. Plus, you basically said the hungering blade change wasn't warranted and only happened because your playtester couldn't beat it. Not a reason to do anything other than artificially extend your completed work log so it looks like you've done a lot of Much needed work but in reality, you haven't. If you want to change special ammo so drastically, why don't you remove them from the game for a set period of time and have them intermittently available from then onwards. detailed example; Match length - 10:00 Special weapons locked out for 2:00 Time remaining 8:00 Special weapon unlocked, and loaded/or unloaded, find a crate to load up. Crates continue to spawn every 20 seconds for the next minute Time remaining 7:00 Special weapons locked out for 2:00 Time remaining 5:00 Special weapons unlocked, and loaded/or unloaded, find a crate to load up. Crates continue to spawn every 20 seconds for the next two minutes. Heavy ammo unlocked simultaneously. Time remaining 3:00 Special weapons locked out for two minutes. Time remaining 60 seconds Special weapons unlocked, and loaded/or unloaded, find a crate to load up. Crates continue to spawn every 15 seconds for the next minute. Special ammo you collect will remain when it gets locked out, so I can keep my ammo for my matador until it's unlocked so I don't have to spawn camp an ammo crate and get stuck in. Ammo is kept upon death since I'm only able to use it in the allocated time. I believe this would help much more than your changes. it breathes new life into the match every two minutes and actually makes special weapons, special.

I'm ric89tab I have 100s if not almost 2000 hrs of destiny and big on crucible game play. I'm in the top 1% DTR and games played also diamond 1 rank in many things. Here are my thoughts What I liked- high Cal nerf, jugg nerf, handcannon buff, auto buff, high rate pulse buff What I didn't like- first off didn't like the perk nerfs on hungering blade and all regen this was very unnecessary. Blade super is very weak in defense and needed this to stay alive just a tad bit longer also helps other characters fight a bit longer. Quick draw perk was an even worse decision it gives us a small advantage but it isn't broken. The new handling thing is completely useless and it ruins warlock exotic along with quick draw. Should of been left alone. Tons of games have quick draw perks and never labeled them broken like cod. Special ammo gone after death is to much especially since no land being the worst is always there, side arms, ice breaker. It ruins play style, ruins even decent use of special cuz on average ppl die every 10 seconds it's not hard to die. I got killed by a shotgun maybe once a game that's how bad it is now. So also kills us from getting good with special bc we never use it. Weapon nerfs- truth nerf is awful should be left alone. High rate pulse rifle nerf is not necessary only high Cal was a problem the magazine is way to small now. Pvp and pve should be separate and if you can't do it then don't mess up major subclasses from their original functions. What you should do!!! Special ammo upon death should reduce in the mag by 25-50% every time you die you should gradually lose ammo. So this provides us to have atleast a back up for skilled play with special without having huge reserves bc u will lose some Everytime till it reaches 0 and u need to pick up more. I don't have a testing lab but may need to up the time on special for this or leave it at 60 Secs. Some thoughts are 50% special loss with special every min or 25% loss with special every 90sec. Also buffing primarys along with this can help against the special usage. Weak and strong sub classes need some tuning. Blade is now weakest subclass hands down. Blade needs quick draw back to normal, hungering blade to normal. Blade needs overall a buff to its super in terms of timer, damage, defense, energy in kill and swing. They die so fast meaning they are just very squishy shotgun melee and dead. Soo needs to be able to survive that and 2 shotgun shells. Really I think it needs to go back to yr 1 status to even compete or close to it. The exotic helmet eyes of the 3rd man don't seem to even extend duration or kill count it needs a buff along with the chest exotic that makes you get the super faster. Hammer titan is in my opinion strongest roaming super but I would say let other roaming come closer to it then nerfing it. If a hammer can kill a blade then a blade swing can kill a hammer period. They can throw hammers n my face as it is before I get to him but if I do get to him and hit him he needs to die. Storm caller maybe needs a nerf to ionic blink maybe cool down after 2 blinks like hunter and warlock blink. Or super energy gets eaten away for every use. Everything else is fine Radiance- same thing with others it should 1 hit kill even a hammer titan or blade along with other roaming supers killing radiance in one hit. Grenades- arc bolt needs more damage along with all the other bolt grenades to take half damage. The gunslinger trip mine was most skillful stick grenade it needs to stick ppl again it has no aim assist so why can't it do what did originally??? It isn't OP also defender/warlock stick grenades are more aggressive then hunter and also cause secondary large explosions like frags. The Flux should do this as well or make em all the same for balance. Supers- roaming supers for balance need to all share the same energy time and energy usage on kill. It's not balanced when other roaming last longer or do more damage or have higher armor stats like the hammer titan who had immense defense, speed, time to kill, range, lots of hammers. Panic supers need to be nerfed in terms of they should of died but survived bc they popped their super. Like when a blade swings at a titan but he survived bc he quickly panic super.. Hell no he should of died. If he wants to smash he needs to do it first before being swung at so that needs fixing. Also nightstalker arrows are so inaccurate they need a wider range of impact then a pencil point cursor. I put nightstalker at worse super in the game bc of this. Defenders need less armor health in the bubble shield itself u really would need a team of 6 to shoot continuously to stop it. Overshields- don't agree with them at all especially warlock. It would be fair to give Hunters the ability since warlocks and titans have it. You can even make hungering blade gain over shield on hit that would actually make it good. Tie it in with the warlock. And overshields shouldn't stack I'm pretty sure this happens with defender titans and exotic gauntlets making them impossible to kill. Melee- Hunters have awful melee big problem with gunslinger and night S. Is they throw knives or bombs on accident. Can we get a double tap on melee to release knives and bombs? Also they have weak base melee can we get a added buff to range on all base melee with no special things to it?? Also blade dancer hit detection is horrible needs to be checked. Back stab perk is so situational it should cause instant death or increase melee damage. Its the worst perk in the group for melee it needs to be more useful. Titan skating!!! - needs a nerf big time. They found a way to break the movement speed there has to be a way where once they launch they can't launch continously in the air. Or if they use garrison exotic they have to land and can't skate in the air right after and play superman. It's so broken it's crazy especially with new in air accuracy. Blink- it's almost useless it needs to get recovery back at the very least I don't even care about the hud. Main reason I can't use it is bc recovery time soo bring it back. Amor/speed/recovery values- all of this needs a buff. Different classes doing different things is stupid and unbalance. Titans and warlocks pound for pound are better at crucible for high armor and fast recovery while Hunters lack recovery stat which is super important to get back in the fight. Let these perks create our own builds easier to fit our style on all characters. Also be careful bc adding to much speed can make titans and warlocks super fast soo it has to be in conjunction with their glide and launch abilities n terms of speed. Hunters should be the fastest but it's not true so if you don't want them faster give them recover upgrade the Stat Is way to low if you want max armor. Weapons- no time to explain arch type pulse needs a buff. Needs faster time to kill still not competitive. Autos- need more stability and range still feel like they need to be more accurate a bit further away Handcannon- needs to drop off at a little longer range. Stability perk should significantly stop bloom effect max stability or close to it should erase bloom, that's why they come with lower range. Scouts- they need a damage buff maybe 3 shot to the head not 4 on scouts like cryptic dragon. Or maybe do more damage to the body over all. I think this is all I got for now feel free to comment. Took me a while to think of this but i do it for the bungie community and want the best for it.

What I like, the fact that primaries are used now. which means that the changes to the special seem to be working well. it has brought the sidearm as a possibility and yet allows those who want to snipe or shotgun the opportunity to use them still.. overall, it appears that we will have more variety, but, its early. people are testing out many weapons and perhaps in a week or so there will be a designated archetype meta for specific weapons.. so far though its good. What I hate. the fact that you would put out an update with more unintended changes than ones that were planned. regardless of its effect on the game being good or bad, you let something out into the world that clearly couldn't have been tested well to ensure no other aspects of the game are involved. This is a poor business practice and has dwindled the little trust the community has with implementation of any patch/update or dlc.. bad move here. What could be better. completely remove bloom. I realize what you are trying to do with HC and giving back the original range and accuracy is a good thing but, the problem remains that randomizing my skill is not ok. No other weapon does that, if you hit your reticle is on the target and you fire, you do damage, but, HC have potential for the shot to miss.. if you want to slow down rate of fire do that.. but, don't marginalize my skill with random misses. What I would change.. how you communicate with the community. WHY did you make the choice to go from 3-1 in truth.. why did you think that nerfing hungering blade was a good idea. Why after all the bluster about hearing your community and how nerfing things is bad did you go forward and nerf a pile of things. many of us would like real explanations as to what you were attempting to acccomplish and why what you have done will accomplish this. Further, please explain to us why updates/patches are always centered around pvp play instead of a balance between both? You are the ones that want each weapon to feel the same in both arenas so there is no difference in our hands yet, we have pvp, light enabled pvp, pve that relies on the location and task at hand and not our light and finally end game pve.. in each situation our weapons react differently doing different damage so why not split pvp and pve to work on balance. The game has me invest 3000 hours so I can't say I hate the game. I love it, love playing it, but, I get frustrated when you make changes to the game that seem to contradict the words you have spoken or written to the community. Its a beautiful game, great gun play, poor story, poor security when it comes to lag and balance seems to come always at the expense of pve players. I do play both but, its frustrating to see the potential of this game after 3 years and notice that you don't change your tactics in anyway while finding ways to balance the game, or communicate with the fans.. your fans are not the streamers making money doing carries and requesting donation, it is a job to them.. your fans are the ones that play minimally to alot like myself that want to believe you can deliver destiny 2 as a great game.. yet we are all wondering if it will end up just like Destiny has.. full of promise but, falling painfully short of what it should be due to mismanagement internally..

I really like everything except the skill-less attachable grenades. I am glad that the non-scuf using players can now have a closer competitive match with the modded controller (scufs etc.) It's no mystery warlocks were abusing melee regen with shotguns last patch using modded controllers...