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8/17/2016 12:47:51 AM
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Want to dismantle BLM? Start at the root.

There's a lot of buzz surrounding BLM at the moment, which makes sense if we look at what's happening in Milwaukee. However, the conversation is too often being held over whether or not BLM should be supported, or whether or not BLM is a terrorist organization, or whether or not BLM itself is racist. Let's straighten this shit out once and for all. Instead of launching into emotionally-charged rants about the issue, let's sit down, examine the evidence, and come up with a conclusion. BLM recently put out a list of six demands. This gives us some legitimate information to analyze, which is far better than bickering over whether or not violent protesters are "actual members of BLM." 1. End the war on black people. 2. Reparations for past and present harms. 3. Divestment from the institutions that criminalize, cage and harm black people; and investment in the education, health and safety of black people. 4. Economic justice for all and a reconstruction of the economy to ensure our communities have collective ownership, not merely access. 5. Community control of the laws, institutions and policies that most impact us. 6. Independent black political power and black self-determination in all areas of society. (http://www.nbcnews.com/news/us-news/black-lives-matter-releases-policy-agenda-n620966) Right. We have a list of demands, here. It's apparent that BLM is concerned with far more than just police violence. The main idea is [i]racism in general.[/i] 1 and 2 illustrate this. 1 refers to a war on black people, and 2 refers to "present harms." Police violence is definitely included, but BLM is painting with a broader brush. Society as a whole, in their eyes, is racist (and has been racist for a long time). This racism apparently has negative effects - so much so that we need to pay reparations for harms [i]past and present.[/i] As an aside, let's deal with the first demand. BLM refers to a war on black people. If there really [i]is[/i] a war on black people, it's a civil war. From 1980 - 2008, black-on-black crime has been an enormous outlier. Black crime [i]in general[/i] has been an outlier. (http://www.bjs.gov/content/pub/pdf/htus8008.pdf) [quote]In 2008, the homicide victimization rate for blacks (19.6 homicides per 100,000) was 6 times higher than the rate for whites (3.3 homicides per 100,000). Black victims were over-represented in homicides involving drugs, with 62.1% of all drug-related homicides involving black victims. By comparison, 36.9% of drug-related homicide victims were white and 1% were victims of other races. [i]93% of black victims were killed by blacks.[/i] Between 1980 and 2008, young adult black males had the highest homicide offending rate compared to offenders in other racial and sex categories. While young black males have accounted for about 1% of the population from 1980 to 2008, they have made up an increasing proportion of homicide victims, going from 9% of all homicide victims in 1980 to 18% in 1994. After 1994, their proportion of homicide victims has remained relatively stable at about 16%. Th e percentage of young black male homicide offenders also increased rapidly from the mid-1980s to the early 1990s, going from 17% in 1985 to 35% by 1993 before declining. By 2008, young black males made up about a quarter of all homicide offenders (27%)[/quote] This "war on black people," is not being waged by white people. [i]93% of black homicide victims were killed by a member of the same race.[/i] Right. We've gotten that out of the way. There is no mass amount of violence being on blacks by whites, and this makes sense. What do white people have to gain from inflicting suffering onto black people? There's nothing to gain, and there's no widespread suffering being inflicted (across racial lines). Back to the demands... 3 and 4 are quite similar. BLM wants society (society is a nebulous being - I've never been able to pin it down and ask it about its evil machinations towards racial minorities) to divest in "institutions that criminalize, cage, and harm black people," and to invest in their "health and safety." This is obviously a response to an artificial narrative. "Institutions that criminalize, cage, and harm black people?" Are there public institutions designed to criminalize [i]being black[/i]? No. That's ridiculous. Are black people arrested and caged? Yes. Are they being arrested and caged [i]for being black[/i]? No. They're arrested and caged [i]for being criminals.[/i] Take this data, for instance... (http://www.amren.com/archives/reports/the-color-of-crime-2016-revised-edition/) [quote][b]The evidence suggests that if there is police racial bias in arrests it is negligible.[/b] Victim and witness surveys show that police arrest violent criminals in close proportion to the rates at which criminals of different races commit violent crimes. There are dramatic race differences in crime rates. Asians have the lowest rates, followed by whites, and then Hispanics. Blacks have notably high crime rates. This pattern holds true for virtually all crime categories and for virtually all age groups. In 2013, a black was six times more likely than a non-black to commit murder, and 12 times more likely to murder someone of another race than to be murdered by someone of another race. In 2013, of the approximately 660,000 crimes of interracial violence that involved blacks and whites, blacks were the perpetrators 85 percent of the time. This meant a black person was 27 times more likely to attack a white person than vice versa. A Hispanic was eight times more likely to attack a white person than vice versa. In 2014 in New York City, a black was 31 times more likely than a white to be arrested for murder, and a Hispanic was 12.4 times more likely. For the crime of “shooting” — defined as firing a bullet that hits someone — a black was 98.4 times more likely than a white to be arrested, and a Hispanic was 23.6 times more likely. If New York City were all white, the murder rate would drop by 91 percent, the robbery rate by 81 percent, and the shootings rate by 97 percent. In an all-white Chicago, murder would decline 90 percent, -blam!- by 81 percent, and robbery by 90 percent. In 2015, a black person was 2.45 times more likely than a white person to be shot and killed by the police. A Hispanic person was 1.21 times more likely. These figures are well within what would be expected given race differences in crime rates and likelihood to resist arrest. [b]In 2015, police killings of blacks accounted for approximately 4 percent of homicides of blacks. Police killings of unarmed blacks accounted for approximately 0.6 percent of homicides of blacks.[/b] The overwhelming majority of black homicide victims (93 percent from 1980 to 2008) were killed by blacks.[/quote] Again, there's no war on black people. There is no institution that cages or harms blacks specifically as a matter of policy. [i]BLM is trying to sell a narrative, but it's a false one.[/i] Part of this narrative includes these "institutions" that cage and harm black people. The 3rd demand is a pathetic attempt at cashing in on this false narrative. Speaking of [i]cashing in[/i], we arrive at my main point. Demand 4. More tax dollars. More social spending. More public assistance. BLM is calling for more of the same. It's like a heroine addict. Heroine landed it in this painful mess, but if only it had some heroine to numb the pain... [b][i]The main part of BLM's narrative is that racism is responsible for the ills of American blacks.[/i][/b] This is wrong. [i]Dead wrong.[/i] In the 60's, racism was far more tangible than it is today. However, American blacks were doing better than they are today. Not only that, [i]but they were improving at an impressive rate.[/i] Then LBJ happened. (http://www.discoverthenetworks.org/viewSubCategory.asp?id=1672) Give this a read. [quote]When President Lyndon Johnson in 1964 launched the so-called War on Poverty, which enacted an unprecedented amount of antipoverty legislation and added many new layers to the American welfare state, he explained that his objective was to reduce dependency, “break the cycle of poverty,” and make “taxpayers out of tax eaters.” Johnson further claimed that his programs would bring to an end the “conditions that breed despair and violence,” those being “ignorance, discrimination, slums, poverty, disease, not enough jobs.” Of particular concern to Johnson was the disproportionately high rate of black poverty. In a famous June 1965 speech, the president suggested that the problems plaguing black Americans could not be solved by self-help: “You do not take a person who, for years, has been hobbled by chains and liberate him, bring him up to the starting line in a race and then say, 'you are free to compete with all the others,'” said Johnson.[/quote] (http://www.forbes.com/sites/peterferrara/2011/04/22/americas-ever-expanding-welfare-empire/#50b5c4781595) [quote]From 1965 to 2008, nearly $16 trillion of taxpayer money (in constant 2008 dollars) was spent on means-tested welfare programs for the poor.[/quote] [quote]The economic milieu in which the War on Poverty arose is noteworthy. As of 1965, the number of Americans living below the official poverty line had been declining continuously since the beginning of the decade and was only about half of what it had been fifteen years earlier. Between 1950 and 1965, the proportion of people whose earnings put them below the poverty level, had decreased by more than 30%. The black poverty rate had been cut nearly in half between 1940 and 1960. In various skilled trades during the period of 1936-59, the incomes of blacks relative to whites had more than doubled.[/quote]

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    • It's easier for blacks to blame everyone else (mainly the white man) for their problems, which leads them to think they are owed something. Until blacks as whole start taking some accountability and responsibility, nothing will change, and handing them things when they complain loud enough only makes it worse.

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      • America is infected. Rotten to the core. We need to pull it out by the roots, wipe the state clean... BURN IT DOWN!

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      • Agreed - dismantle BLM at the root: time to end welfare and transition to job placement, sink or swim programs complete with drug testing; time to restore traditional, conservative, family values; time for more limited government; time to end liberal, social engineering; time to stop dividing ourselves and stop calling ourselves hyphenated Americans; time to earn what you get and keep what you earn -period; time to take personal responsibility and stop blaming others for our misfortunes; time to await court rulings and have the facts in hand before making assumptions; the list goes on - time to make America great again.

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        • I love how mad max and Ajax the bored are absent from this thread. How convenient.

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          • If we wanna dismantle BLM at the roots, we need a time machine.

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          • As a foreigner looking at news about the USA and its current events, I have to say, African Americans are the most racist and hypocritical group in Western Civilization, second only to Muslims. I can honestly say I'm glad not to have to live there.

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            • BrayerIncognitoにより編集済み: 8/17/2016 10:42:44 AM
              What I don't understand is if the US is such a racist country then why are there so many laws preventing racism? Why are there black people in every possible important position in the country (judges, mayor's, police chief's, President!!! etc) What makes these black people different to others? Is it that they chose not to drop out of school? Or chose not to get pregnant out of marriage? Or chose not to turn to crime? You see, if you choose to do these things, or anything else that prevents you from becoming the best you can be, simply because you feel the world will judge you or hold you back simply because of your skin colour, then the ONLY person oppressing you is YOU. Take responsibility for your own lives, stop making excuses.

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                Hey... you said "root" in the title, thats racist!

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              • What's this? Someone shares my opinion on BLM??? Oh theyre libertarian too. Cool, now it makes snes

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              • That wall of text is tall enough to make brandon the builder jelly. #asoiaf

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                • My god this BLM issue needs resolution at the hands of the military. The further I look into it, the more sickened I am that this group is allowed to operate under its current form. Certainly there is a hierarchy for BLM which have only the best intentions at heart, but their actions as a mob just continue to devolve ever closer to civil war and domestic terrorism. Perhaps a solution would be to grant them an audience with the United Nations, or to gather a few reasonable individuals and seat them with - would it be the court of supreme justices in the USA who would be able to best address them and institute whatever means are necessary for an amicable outcome? One that doesn't segregate the sector of the population any more than they're doing to themselves, preferably. I'm an outsider to this. A Canadian who may well be under informed about the whole matter. With no first hand knowledge of the goings on to the south, I'm reliant on news and social media. The friends and family I have down there (trustworthy sources in my experience) seem to back everything in the rant which was my first paragraph. From what I see, I can however draw certain parallels to situations which have risen from certain extremist within our aboriginal communities who have held rallies of a very similar sort. Few ever get past the "being loud and obnoxious" stage, but there was a self proclaimed "war chief" who gained some notoriety amongst certain circles for his belief that the appropriate response to perceived racist practices by cops and the "white" community was to arm and make ready for war. This didn't go as far as he would have wished, but random acts of violence against both cops and whites spiked dramatically with each time he held a council or made a video. Mostly, it led to crime in mostly aboriginal neighbourhoods which did nothing to further their "righteous cause" of wanting to end some make believe war being waged on his people. Quite frankly, I've met more straight up white trash than thug Indians or blacks. The one difference between them is that the unstable Crack dealer living in the trailer park is just as likely to behave violently towards another white as any other ethnicity. Not so with the "minority" crowd. There was a street gang in my home town which, as right of initiation, had its members Stab, shoot or beat a white man to death (or as near to death as the striker could manage), or alternatively have forcible relations with a white girl. You better believe the local law enforcement took issue. You look like a thug, you get treated like one. They bust you with tools, drugs, weapons, welcome to jail - do not pass go. Poverty and desperation only cover so much. It can be a factor, but it is no excuse. I've known poverty and desperation. As have many of my friends and family. Many of my group can be identified at first glance as minorities and that didn't stop them from breaking free of stigma and stereotype. Some are dead, some are in jail, some we all cut ties with because they couldn't suck it up and make a life for themselves. You can only help someone to the degree that they are willing to help themselves. BLM needs to suck it up or get serious about cleaning up their own ranks. Otherwise I would think them guilty of everything they claim to stand against. Maybe roll some tanks on them, pull the civil authorities back and start charging their leadership with treason. But hey, what would I know? Not my problem. I will say this though...Canada is a pretty great country - even if we do share certain issues...and somehow went from Harper to Trudeau... Y'all are invited! Except those BLM folk. They can stay in the ghettos that they refuse to make better. A joke? Sort of. I can appreciate National pride. Be proud to be American. You earned that right, so by all means...

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                  Lol, reparations for past and present harms? Lmfao. How many of those idiots were even ALIVE during that era? And why does the entire country owe them reparations exactly? We are supposed to pay them for things they didn't experience, caused by people that ,for the most part ,aren't even alive anymore? Yea, ok, well since my ancestors were tortured and enslaved in england, maybe I should go over there and demand money for harm caused to someone else,who isnt alive and by someone I didnt know, gotta cash in on things I'm not even relevant to, the money will make all of my non-existent pain go away!(cuz -blam!-ing logic right?) And why in the holy love of -blam!- are they: 1.acting like everything that happens to black people is caused by racism(-blam!- kind of logic is that?) 2. They are the only victims of racism? I forgot, you can only be racist to black people.(cuz -blam!-ing logic) 3. Deliberately steering the entire racism argument at white people? Are we just automatically assumed to be racist now?(that's kind of racist bro) This needs to end, they need to stop acting like it's -blam!-ing 1945, nobody is out to get you, there is no war against black people, stop acting like you're special. You can't keep pulling that bullshit race card every time something happens to you. "Oh , he got shot and arrested because he's black" No bitch, he got shot and arrested because he robbed a store, assaulted a woman and ran from the police. Take your cry baby boo hoo bullshit somewhere else.

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                  • You can't dismantle something that isn't very organized...

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                  • Or we could screw political correctness and arm our capable and mentally stable civilians

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                  • Bobにより編集済み: 8/18/2016 10:13:18 PM
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                    BLM people were about police brutality, but it has now become just hating anyone that is white and rioting for no reason. BLM people beating up completely random white people in the milwaukee riots was crazy, even if you support BLM, if you were white you were gonna get beat up if you showed up there. and the fact that the police that shot that criminal was also black...lol don't worry though, a group of blacks beating up white people just cause they are white isn't racist at all. cause blacks can't be racist... Atleast Trump white supporters don't beat up black Trump supporters at his rallies.

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                  • I'd like to see how they would get me to pay reparations. My family came over in the 1930's-1940's. I don't owe them shit.

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                    • They want no equality. They want us to spend more time and money on them than we do ourselves. To attain this, they are pulling a victim card a shaming us until we cave in to their demands. There is racism, however it is not unjustly biased. Maybe if they contributed more as a peoples they could demand more, but this is just a blatant group of lazy people pulling victim cards to get easy money and support.

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                    • OP, this is not meant to target you. This is a short response to the BLM goals that you linked for us. Thank you for sharing with us. [quote]1. End the war on black people.[/quote] Tell the people in Syria that there is a "war" against you. See how well that turns out. [quote]2. Reparations for past and present harms.[/quote] This, I am absolutely against, especially the "past harms" part which I assume refers to slavery. One of the cornerstones of western thought is that each person is their own person, responsible for themselves and their own actions. The idea is that no one should have to pay for the sins of their ancestors because the current generation did not commit their ancestor's crime. Author, Micheal Shaara said it best in [i]The Killer Angels[/i], "I'll be treated as I deserve, not as my father deserved." [quote]3. Divestment from the institutions that criminalize, cage and harm black people; and investment in the education, health and safety of black people.[/quote] I assume they are talking about the police. If you want respect from cops, you have to show respect. When someone attempts to challenge their authority on the street, the officer has to assert that authority, otherwise, no one will take them seriously. Also, the police (at least the ones I know) do not specifically target minorities. They target high crime areas. If you do not want your neighborhood plagued with crime, the work with the police to address the issue. [quote]4. Economic justice for all and a reconstruction of the economy to ensure our communities have collective ownership, not merely access.[/quote] What is their idea of "economic justice?" I cannot comment on that without a definition. Also, "collective ownership" sounds a lot like Communism/affirmative action. [quote]5. Community control of the laws, institutions and policies that most impact us.[/quote] You already have that through city councilors or county commissioners (or whatever they are in Louisiana). Vote and keep up with the people who take office. That is the only way to ensure that your voice is heard. [quote]6. Independent black political power and black self-determination in all areas of society.[/quote] This sounds more like a revised version of Jim Crow's "separate, but equal" argument. This does not work. Dividing between racial lines does not work and only weakens the nation as a whole.

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                      • [quote]past harms[/quote] just because great great great grandpappy was a slave doesn't mean you deserve money for it.

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                      • The last 2 make it sound like they want self governance. Because that won't set a precedent for establishing sharia law.

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                      • Why do people even make these threads? They aren't going to change shit...

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                      • No lives matter! [spoiler]asteroid for president 2K16[/spoiler]

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