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You thought it was fun to go through a hour of doing the nightfall only to die at the boss and start from the BEGINNING OF THE STRIKE AGAIN?

They won't change. They have 2 years of proof that we will buy it no matter the quality. They chop up the game and feed it to us slowly and they have learned that they WILL get away with it. All they had to do was show me a revamped Gjallarhorn and a giant Flaming Axe and I was already salivating. I'm easy to please and I know they will screw me over but I can't stop buying their tasty garbage. Sad but true.

The [i]only[/i] way to affect change is to close your wallet to Bungie until they earn it. But we know all these schmucks out there already pre ordering a dlc they know nothing about will not help. All they've been shown is the players stupidity and willingness to pay for an incomplete product. That's how they've gotten away with shitting out this minimalistic content, because it's already been paid for so they don't have to make it good.

[quote]Enemies became stronger. But our max level of light can't even produce the same consistency of a y1 guardians power? Aren't we supposed to progress and feel like powerful warriors of light[/quote] It is [i]exactly[/i] the same constistancy. Instead of acquiring weapons and armour of a fixed level, you infuse it up. This way you have more control over how powerful you want to be. Albeit RNG. [Quote]Nightfall is useless still besides a rep increase recently. Bring back blue flames, increase rewards, and bring the nightfall modifier back. It made things interesting. And more fun (Something that has not been paramount in your belief system, Bungie.)[/quote] Apart from the removal of full fire team wipe kicked to orbit, no more blue flames and increased XP, NF hasn't changed much. Ok I'll throw in new modifiers into that list. That includes the rewards. The XP boost was removed so that guardians didn't feel pressured into running home every Tuesday to complete it up to 3 times. Sometimes it can be trickier to revive someone while keeping yourself alive as you wait for the 30 second cool down. IMO just as interesting. As for fun, its relative. What one person calls enjoyment, another hates it. [Quote]You need to remove SBMM. Nobody ever asked for it. We need Ranked, and Unranked playlists.[/quote] The problem isn't with SBMM, since in theory its a ranked system. It is the atrocious latency which gets people down. Fix that and SBMM won't be so tiresome. [Quote]The constant nerfing has to stop. We need to start buffing everything so that we can feel powerful again, and not feel like we are hamster wheeling your content.[/quote] If certain weapons weren't nerfed we would have a Thorn situation all over again. Yes I'll grant you its disappointing when your favourite gun gets the chop but who said life was fair. Adapt to the changes of your favourite killing partner or use another weapon. Players may hate weapon changes and nerfs but the reality is, the Crucible is much more balanced than it was 12 months ago. [Quote]Reverse tripmine, gunslinger, sunsinger, firebolt and viking funeral nerfs. Nobody is happy with these changes.[/quote] I can now rock Bladedancer and Gunslinger in PvE and my Sunsinger can still destroy. Yes you heard that right, hunters in PvE got a massive buff. If you stop lamenting on tripmines and firebolt grenades with VF, you would find these classes are still viable and fun. People just want easy kills all the time and then complain the games too easy. You either want a challenge or not, can't have it both ways. [Quote]Bring back elemental primaries, this wasn't a smart decision to remove. It's another factor that made destiny unique. Now it's just watered down to simplicity, and only one exotic in TTK has elemental damage? Not even the raid weapon. That is complete nonsensical bull IMO. Luke should reconsider his decisions. [/QUOTE] So you want to narrow my choices of PvE weapons down to just using elemental primaries? Cos that's what's going to happen if you get elemental primaries back. I'm tired of seeing power creep posts like this all over the forum. We've all got along perfectly fine this past year without them and shouldn't that tell you we don't need it? [Quote]Stop hiding from the community every time we are upset with the way the game has turned out. Give us acknowledgement for our distaste and try to make an improvement. I doubt I will see any major improvements seeing as nothing said by intellectual users is considered as feedback, Only posts asking to nerf everything. [/QUOTE] No disrespect but this post is full of whine, just put in an eloquent way. Its time people stopped asking for what they personally want and just play the game. The only reason this post is so popular is because guardians are still recovering from the latest round of changes. Us humans do not adapt all that well to change and in a week or two this will be nothing more than a storm in a teacup. I take it by intellectual users, you meant just you or anyone who agrees? For someone who thinks they are a spokesman for the whole community I think the term we use here is the "Royal We". That and onesided opinions, a common practice here. [QUOTE]We still believe this game can redeem itself. Only if the Games Managers would make the entire company work on a solution rather than a small portion of them.[/quote] The game is fine, is not perfect but then again perfection is a very rare thing. Going by a what I've seen only a tiny fraction of the community's suggestion are even considered a second look by Bungie. Most of this forum is full of rants and players demanding what they want. I'm just thankful Bungie only gives what we need. Jeez, if Bungie listened to most of the comments on this forum, this game would have gone down the shitter long ago. [QUOTE]Why do you think our patches have so many errors brought with them? Because they don't play test the patch enough to even notice. Or they're trying to place the straw that broke the camels back. The patch was so sudden that I'm hoping it's just a patch to show how ridiculous nerfing is and how stupid our feedback is, maybe they really are listening. Just to the wrong crowd.[/QUOTE] As far as I can remember this is the only patch that brought errors. Mistakes happen and at least they are trying to fix it. Not ideal and I understand your ire but just be patient. Throwing a grown up tantrum won't get it sorted any quicker. [Quote]And if all feedback is "Anecdotal." Shouldn't the nerf posts be considered more anecdotal than actual constructive feedback? [/quote] It's only Forum Mythology that surmises Bungie reads nerf posts and then nerfs the weapons listed there. They, from what I understand test out weapons and check usage stats. If a weapon is starting to have more kills than any others, it ends up on the sandbox teams "In" box. Then begins the process to nerfdom. [QUOTE]Who knows. This needs to end. We need to reverse a lot of patches.[/quote] Game would stagnate if changes weren't made and no we don't need to reverse a lot of patches. Really we don't.

Happy with the sunsinger change. It needed to happen.

H.o.w. was the best dlc hands down. It validated v.o.g. and crota with etheric light, it dropped new content and expanded on old with weapon reforging and new ways of attaining new competitive elemental primaries. No matter the issues you have with h.o.w., reign of thorn or the lack of raid, h.o.w. was still the most content ever dropped in one dlc. Hands down. How they went fron h.o.w. to t.t.k. makes me confused as all hell.

With the way Bungie is heading any weapon, ability etc like Mida and the rest. Plus what is to come will keep this game stagnant. This is not a game that was ment to be built the way it is now. Bungie had the opportunity to expanded this game where others haven't and it could of been one of the best game ever made. Their lack of expanding on their possibilities, imagination, exploration and being unique has been cut off. This game is Limited leaving too many boundaries that has killed the aspect of this game. Bungie needs to actually expand this game in many ways. The first step is having total separation between PvP and PvE. Keeping the balance as they call it is setting boundaries in this entire game leaving it limited which it is not supposed to be. PvE is not PvP so Bungie needs to stop treating it like it is. PVE at this point in 3 years should have a different species, the solar system should have at least one new planet to be able to explore. The borders on the current plants should of been expanded. All of y1 content should be relevant. Ttk was not a full game, and Bungie removed content out of this game when there isn't that amount of content to be removing any in the first place. Endgame content should of stayed the way it was in y1. Not being more attainable in everything else because it bests the purpose of this entire game. By adding 3OC it took exotics and turnd them into a material for progression. All of this is based off of Bungie's RNG. Their failure in this game that had caused so many unnecessary changes in this game. The RNG in this game need a major adjustment. As long as Bungie continues to ignore this they will add things like 3OC to justify their RNG and this will take the concept of this game further away from where it should be. Leveling, another mistake in this game at this point. Reaching Max light level serves no purpose in this game knowing you can complete everything in this game without it. New gamers should not have boost packs to catch up to everybody that's in this game. You should have to actually experience this game and it's content by leveling up separate from the vets. If you are new you should start off going through y1 before you can experience the Taken King. Bungie has made everything so easy accessible it's ridiculous. How is this reasonable? [b] Let's say you are at the tower and you get in an invite to run Vog. You see that the entire group is 335 so you say to yourself what the hell ill join. So you start the raid and everything is going okay and you get in and you are ready to start to run the Templar. So out of curiosity you asked do you guys run oracle's top or bottom. Then comes your worst nightmare. You hear from everyone. (((What's an oracle?))) This is exactly how Bungie's leveling system is.[/b] With the current concept Bungie has of this game. It will never progressed unless they actually start treating this game as it's concept was ment to be.

And the only way all of us can let them know is not by forum posts, tweets, rants, and rages..... but rather, DO NOT PRE-ORDER RISE OF IRON. Money talks, folks. For once I'd like to see a gaming community use that to their advantage. but hey, 12 year olds be like "ooooooooooooooooooooh, silver gally mang"

Like the post, i agree. ..heres a summary Let me just take you through Destiny to show how each update starting at year 2 and "listening to the people" has demenished what the game was and should have been. (I realize there are some legitimate grips, but those are not listened to by Bungie ) year 1, THE LAUNCH You play strikes and story mode, who the hell is xur? Cool this guys sells stuff not easily obtained in the game. Why do some people have blue flames around their head? Oh, nightfalls give you that because you earn an experience boost and right on! exotics can drop pretty consistantly and those are hard to come by everywhere else. That experience boost is nessassry as weapons must be grinded out to level up, which is cool, it gives me reason to patrol and do strikes as I test my weapon to see if I want to continue leveling it up. first update, THE VAULT OF GLASS WOW, I have to socialize with other people in order to defeat this, not sure about that, I usually play solo. But Awesome we get gear and weapons from this raid and now i have friends on here to help with other activities, let's form a clan together. What is this? Awesome,  these primaries  have burns on them which help greatly. Got to do normal and hard because the drops are different, first have to do my nightfalls though for the experience boost because weapons take so long to upgrade, as they should. Next update, IRON BANNER AWESOME, These weapons can be re-rolled when iron banner comes around and your level matters so my amazing prowess of defeating the raid over and over has giving me a slight advantage. ...plus some luck with the drops of course 6 month update, CROTA SWEET, a new raid, same as vog, normal mode drops are different from hard. 6 raids are a must. Lvl now 32, but my Lvl 30 vog stuff is still viable...so...12 raids plus a nightfall to do ! Yes ! So much to do...I have options TRIALS this is cool, good loot for the Pvp die hards. Now PvE and PvP players have an outlet to show off their skills. 9 month update, POE oh damn this is hard and what is this etheric light ? Hot damn I can bring my fate bringer and vog stuff to the new lvl. Damn it..I dismantled some stuff, back to venus and the damn gorgons. Sweet, these primaries have burns on them too! Oh, now I can re-roll every weapon...ok, but that's what made iron banner feel so special as those were the only weapons that can be re-rolled. Every Tuesday during year 1 Can't wait to get home, it's reset day and another chance for an exotic! YEAR 2, (Bungie "we listened to all the crys of drop rates and the raid being too hard and being the only way to achieve the highest level, so no more having to play how we intended it to be") TAKEN KING Damn, my stuff I have sucks now, I have to throw it away for vault space cause even Rares are better than my fate bringer and the all mighty Gjallahorn. Hmmmmm...the nightfall sure sucks now, 3 of coins exist, no need to grind the nightfall anymore and no blue flame adorned around my head!? No more returning to orbit! What happened? Must have been too much whining from the masses. Least the raid is cool...but what's this? Hard and normal have the same stuff with the same perks ? No burns on primaries? Just different colors ...wtf, well  burns aren't really a factor in year 2 anyway so I guess it doesn't matter.  Guess all I really need to do is 3 raids, cool I have more time to do other things, like cut the grass, try different games out, or try and find something on Netflix worth watching...I guess. ahhh, quests.... these are cool. (Till after 2 months when the drops for them are dismantling material and no need for the experince as I can just use my motes of light, almost a good idea) RETURN OF IRON BANNER hmmmm...no more rerolling weapons and why does a gaurdian at 295 light pack as much punch as my 320!? Guess size doesn't matter...anymore, even though they say it does. So much for having an advantage because my raid team and I kick ass 6 months later,(crys that it's too hard to achieve light and all the loot easily obtained still isn't good enough for me) COE AND NEW MAX LIGHT HMMMM, everyone gets light like candy on Halloween. So much for all those raid hours every week, my skill at the raid and luck of drops gives me no advantage or bragging rights over lower light players. Wow..now I can infuse everything to what the infusing is...all the glimmer and materials I wasted, but ok. Ummmm this isn't even the old POE, it's just the same 3 levels every week with different challenge for points? This does not feel like destiny and it's hardly a challenge. The raid and nightfall are pointless thanks to light giving out so easily and 3 of coins, guess I will wait for trials and iron banner to give it ago since trials is the only way now to have something not everyone can get so easy, I'm sure that will soon change too and you only need 1 win to get to the light house.  This is crap..what is there really to do ? Everything has been acheived and everyone has everything...no more showing off my accomplishments with the gear I have or my light level. That should sum up why so many have deserted the game, as I'm sure most of you have noticed your pages and pages of friends active dwindling more and more. This is my personal opinion and if you disagree fine, that's your right. Just look at all the year 1 activities there was to do that was worth while compared to where the game sits now. When's the last time you rode your sparrow? With each update or dlc since year 2, Destiny has become a shell of what it was and what it was supposed to be and there is no arguing that fact. Just imagine if all the content in Destiny was viable, it would make for an epic game with tons of options to do. Of course I'm sure some trolls will find something to argue, there's always those guys and before you say..."well WoW always got rid of old content for new content like every other mmo" I say to that...why be like everyone else. Think outside the box, I see cool ideas people post all the time on here. Do they listen? No, but they say they do. They must listen to the 10 year old and younger demographic, because all Bungie has done was make the game so easy it feels like a child's game. PS Bungie. ..that demographic doesn't have the money to buy your games and dlc..so put on the big boy pants and stop catering to the generation of the participation trophy. (Destiny thrived and was made so playable year 1 thanks to the socializing aspect and the time it took to obtain things along with so many options we had to do .  It kept us playing and grinding while having fun and had to dedicate time to do it as there was always some carrot dangling in front of us and that's called good business )

tl;dr you're dumb and whiny for no reason, got it.

Easy solution. Stop giving these a$$clowns your money. Their matchmaking is such shit the game is unplayable. The fact that this is practiced by a AAA company is pathetic. Do they not have a test environment? Do they not actually play their game in the manners that their players do? I just don't understand how a company can operate like this and it is tolerated by upper management. Another company could easily sweep in and take the entire player base if they offered a game with similar gun play and mechanics. How do they expect to sell another DLC to a player base that is already pissed at how Bungie has destroyed the player's experience in terms of Year 1.

SBMM is incredibly frustrating for solo players. YOU ARE BEING PUNISHED by having 1.5 KD and running solo. The blueberry scrub lord, bottom feeding, no thumbs disaster that's gets put on your team for having an average+ KD is like the devil -blam!- you for 10 minutes without lube. The lag is the final "money shot" all over your face. Bungo messed up big time with SBMM. It's the stupidest fûcking thing imaginable and makes this game unplayable solo.