This has been a very hot topic with this community lately. The doctrine of passing, is it OP? If so, why? To investigate this, I'm going to crunch some very generic numbers for you guys and hopefully answer this question.
First, let's consider a lower rate of fire auto rifle that does roughly 21 damage per shot with no precision.
Next, consider the doctrine which does roughly 13 damage per shot.
Now we'll add 30% damage drop off to both guns, to see if we can answer why the doctrine melts at such long range.
21 x 0.3 = 6.3 21 - 6 = 15 damage
13 x 0.3 = 3.9 13 - 4 = 9 damage
Now, the lower rate of fire auto will get about 4 shots in the time it takes the doctrine to shoot 10, roughly anyway.
So 15 x 4 = 60 damage with no precision
And 9 x 10 = 90 damage with no precision
As you can see, doctrine clearly outputs more damage in the same amount of time.
Alright, let's add precision damage to the low rate of fire auto. That's roughly a 30% boost in damage which would bring it back to 21 damage per shot.
21 x 4 = 84 damage. As you can see, with perfect aim the lower rate of fire auto comes close, but doesn't quite make it to the doctrines non precision damage.
How about we make the doctrine user have average aim and have 50% of the projectiles do precision damage for roughly 13 damage?
That's 13 x 5 = 65 and 9 x 5 = 45 for 110 damage.
That's quite a jump with decent aim, am I right? How about we take the doctrine to 40% damage falloff while keeping the precision shot ratio the same?
(13 x 0.4 = 5.2 13 - 5 = 8)
That's 12 × 5 = 60 and 8 x 5 = 40 for 100 damage. That's [b]still[/b] more than 84 damage with perfect aim.
How about 50% damage falloff?
(13 x 0.5 = 6.5 13 - 6.5 = 6.5 or 7)
That's 11 x 5 = 55 and 7 x 5 = 35 for 90 damage. The doctrine is [b][u]STILL[/u][/b] out damaging a lower rate of fire auto much farther outside it's intended range with only half precision shots while the other is all precision shots.
Now we're going to switch it up and say the person with the low rate of fire auto rifle has average aim and gets half precision shots, meanwhile we'll out the doctrine in skilled hands and have them hit 8 precision shots at 60% damage falloff.
First, the low rate of fire auto rifle at 30% damage falloff.
21 x 2 = 42 and 15 x 2 = 30 for 72 damage
Now, the doctrine in skilled hands at 60% damage falloff.
(13 x 0.6 = 7.8. 13 - 7.8 = 5.2 or 5)
9 x 8 = 72 and 2 x 5 = 10 for 82 damage.
Incredible! At 60% damage falloff the doctrine in skilled hands still has the ability to outgun a low rate of fire auto rifle at only 30% damage falloff.
So, is the doctrine OP? Probably just a bit considering how far outside the intended range it can go and still come out on top.
Now I turn it over to you community, discuss.
[b][u]Edit***[/u][/b]
Guys, I'm not asking for a doctrine nerf, seriously. I was highlighting why it gets called OP. If you actually read my post, you'll see that I highlight the actual problem that low RoF variants of auto rifles, and really any primary class, are not in balance with the high RoF variants.
[b][u]That[/u][/b] is the issue here.
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I don't mind any certain gun in pvp, then again, i'm older and far less skilled than most of you guys on here. I will say that when i go up against someone who's good w/ Doctrine i get smoked SO god damned fast it's not funny. I have an arminus-d but it has more range stats than stability. It's too wild for me to use. IF i could keep it steady and had better aim i'd probably use it.
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1 返信I don't think high rof guns are OP, it's just most other guns are currently outclassed
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3 通の返信You might want to go back and think about the range stat there bud. Your argument is great!....except....you never consider the fact that range drop off happens much closer on high rof autos, meaning that 30% damage output is going to affect both weapons, but at different ranges. It kinda negates everything you are saying unfortunately.
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2 通の返信[i]To those of you who think this post is a complaint:[/i] you're actually stupid. This guardian was just answering a question asked by a large number of people within the community. He purely gave stats, and very good ones if you ask me. The comparisons and numbers are impressive, hopefully Bungie sees this one.
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1 返信it's a gun you have to earn..... I got my adapt doctrine so I deserve to use it so phuck off kid
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Interesting, I find it sad that people just start assuming and don't read your point. We live in a society especially in the US where nobody listens and you're judged for asking questions! "We hear what we want to hear, and only know what we hear." So thanks for trying! And I don't see you asking for a nerf anywhere!
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3 通の返信Or you can go get an arminius d with counter balance and crowd control and deatroy evrry doctrine out there.
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1 返信When you say roughly and about, expect hate here. Just go count the output and edit or don't use those two words. You are right no matter the actual numbers but people here are freaking vultures with troll faces living under bridges.
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It's nearly impossible to hit every bullet with a bullet hose. I'm not saying high RoF autos are in line with others, I feel they're a bit more potent right now. However, your numbers aren't necessarily accurate. You did a lot of rounding and estimates, and those stack over time until your numbers don't really mean much. If you want a post like this to be truly respectable, you need EXACT numbers. Frame data. I want to see, "For every 10 doctrine rounds, a medium RoF will fire 4.875 rounds" not "roughly 4". (This is an example, not actual numbers). Rounding to this degree has a huge impact on your final result
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Thanks for the numbers man, very well done. The salt on here is lame because you did say you're just looking at the numbers. People saying you're calling for a nerf are just upset because they know there is an imbalance.
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3 通の返信I always hated Math. I seriously dont gaf lol stop looking into things at such depth it doesnt take an Einstein to realise why it wrecks!
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1 返信Stopped reading when you started guessing at round output. Nothing after that is relevant.
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5 通の返信ValorNDarknessにより編集済み: 5/29/2016 4:07:51 PMDon't quit your day job, because writing long boring posts is definitely not your strength
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4 通の返信elbebo199255により編集済み: 5/29/2016 3:38:12 PMAtheons epilogue and soulstealer claw is better dop is balanced now no nerf needed
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4 通の返信Just stop crying you big pussy. I'm sorry your vagina needs a buff. Just stop with all the dop stuff it's not even that good. I have one and like my hatchet way better or any scout.