Don't see why people are getting so upset about the stagger rounds, do you really need to stagger a dreg? I use mida mainly for extra agility on my warlock, so won't make any difference to the gun for me.

Honestly if you used mida in pve you're doing it wrong

Bungie have and always will cater to the PVP crowd. Easiest crowd to keep hanging around without heavy fresh content requests.

Bungie's biggest -blam!--up with the game was allowing PvE weapons in Crucible- period. When you consider the fact that each weapon (non-exotic) can roll different perks, a 'god roll' can definitely give someone an advantage at any time. As a result, there will NEVER be a 'balanced' PvP. (this is the TL;DR point; read on if you want) For example, two Eyaslunas going up against each other at mid range, one with Hammer forged/LiTC and the other with Icarus/Send It; the one with HF already has the edge at range, and if the LiTC procs within the first 2 shots, that guardian wins every time. So what can Bungie do about that??? Why, nerf LiTC of course! The Crucible actually becomes balanced when everyone uses the same weapons (meta); however, Bungie goes out of their way to prevent this by always -blam!-ing things up. They nerf/buff weapons until the community finds a 'new' meta, instead of simply doing THE best balance they could possibly do- get rid of special/heavy weapons in PvP and offer a selection of crucible primaries that all have the same TTK. The only problem with this is that 'skilled' players will completely dominate Crucible and the casuals will never get their 'lucky' kills with special/heavy weapons. This goes against Activision's 'Everyone gets a kill' foundation. It has destroyed CoD- you don't even have to aim anymore; simply point your gun in the general direction and it will lock on to your target like a fly to shit. It makes every casual feel like a Faze candidate... NO SKILL REQUIRED. And look where we are in Destiny- we are constantly grinding for 'god roll' weapons (how many Maloks/Loops did you farm for?)... why? Because it reduces the skill gap compared to using weapons with shitty perks, and gives us the best possible advantage we can have at getting a kill. Bungie logic never ceases to amaze me- and I don't mean that in a good way...

Did it ever occur to you that the design team use the Crucible as a weapons testing ground? I mean come on, are you telling me that anything in this game is difficult now? No...? Why's that? Your weapons. Look how fast some snipers are annihilating those Light Eater Ogres in the Raid for example.

The points that will affect me the most are the reduction in the number of rounds for the Qullim's Terminus and the 1KYS. Qullim's Terminus is almost a requirement for the oryx part of the raid, especially the shade and taking the gaze on Golgoroth. The 1KYS is great for taking out the ogres but if I read this correctly then the number of rounds is being decreased from 4 to 3. That's a 25% reduction in damage to ogres before you have to reload.... A VERY poor decision IMHO. For PVP I can see why they did these changes but I think these changes have been implemented in a really bad way. There just seems to be a nerf mentality running through most of the decisions and balancing doesn't seem to come into it. Bladedancers and Sunbreakers' hit detections were not fixed in this update but most of the changes were to nerf stuff. It's another case of - "who want's a nerf to the ice-breaker?.....No-One?....great, we'll nerf it."

Who tf uses a mida in pve anyway lol

Warlocks get no other extra support capabilities Flame shield is rng to encourage players to use.....solar wind? Ass perk. Brimstone? Maybe depending on how much damage it does. Everyone is bitching about mida in pve. Who tf uses mida in pve?

Balance is way more important in pvp than pve that's why. Mida will still be usable in pve even after the nerf. You have so many more options in pve so get over it

So the Mida was nerfed?