[url=https://www.bungie.net/en/News/News?aid=13688]THANK YOU Bungie for acknowledging our search.[/url]
[i]Yesterday, those Guardians who had successfully foraged for crucial weapon fragments began the chase for the widely-anticipated Sleeper Simulant. The revelation of this new Quest was described as “awesome” by some. Others of you, who skipped meals and lost sleep on the hunt for the elusive Heavy Fusion Rifle, were not as pleased.
The response to Sleeper Simulant was humbling because we did not predict the community reaction. When we try new things, players often teach us a lesson about how to do it better, and this one has us thinking hard about how Quests communicate their availability. Our challenge is balancing between the secrecy that makes these hunts exciting, and transparency that could spoil the fun for the hunters. As long as the community is giving us feedback, we’ll keep seeking the ideal balance.[/i]
I still argue that 'time-gated content' is not the same thing as 'secrecy'.
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Please, we just want answers.
Here is the problem.
1. At TTK launch this gun was hyped as the 'Gjallarhorn 2.0'. It was a big deal. The first articles about this gun specifically said that there was a mystery quest to unlock it, and we would have to FIND IT by collecting relics and 'unlocking the gunsmiths memories'.
2. Bungie went along with this for 3+ weeks. They remained mostly silent, but they kept dropping hints like 'we can show you the door' and 'the truth is out there'. They led us on the whooole way. THEY MADE IT SEEM AS THOUGH IT WAS ALREADY AVAILABLE.
3. We over at /r/searchforthesleeper spent a LOT of time and effort during those 3 weeks trying to find this gun and unlock it for the rest of the community. We thought we were getting close when this happened...
4. Bungie releases the mission as time-gated material with NO mystery of how to unlock it. It simply shows up. That's it. The search is over. Our entire community was invalidated overnight. All of our time and effort was WASTED.
See why we are upset?
A whole community of gamers spent weeks searching for this thing. We thought we were doing the community a service by finding this gun that EVERYONE wanted. You tweeted about it, articles were published about it, the hype was real! "We can only show you the door...", "The truth is out there"? ALL of us had fully expected to be able to FIND this thing in-game, and then today you come out and release it as time-gated content? WHY would you do this? I can understand that you want to prolong the game and release content over time, that makes sense! But why would you purposely keep us looking for an item that WE CAN'T GET? Some of us put a lot of effort into finding this thing, only to find out that it was all wasted effort.
This has left some of us feeling really sour about the future of the game, especially if all of the upcoming content (and the remaining exotics) are going to be time-gated rather than actually hidden for us to find. There is no mystery in waking up to a free mission, there is no challenge in being given the answers. Why did you take this great potential and throw it all away?
Please, we just want an answer as to why it had to turn out like this.
Why didn't you just tell us we were wasting our time, like you did with the Basketball Court guys? Why?!
EDIT: Everyone keeps saying we chose to do this without them making us. THAT IS TRUE, but it was heavily implied THE ENTIRE TIME that this gun would be available through in-game events such as hidden secrets in daily heroics. Multiple tweets, articles, and even the Weekly Update pointed to this being the case. I wouldn't have had any problem with the way this turned out if they hadn't done that and led us on
EDIT2: Thanks to everyone for the bumps and trying to bring some attention to this issue. THE SLEEPER HAS BEEN "FOUND". Not really found, more given to us, but the search is at last over. We had a lot of fun looking for it, learning the lore, and now finally getting the gun. We're a bit disappointed that there really was no need for a search, and the lore surrounding this gun was not brought into the quest at all, and the quest was quite frankly garbage, but that's behind us now.
After all of this I doubt we'll get a response from Bungie, or if they do say something it will just be along the lines of "We don't want to spoil in game secrets", but I still believe that [b]creating hype to find an item [i]that literally cannot be found[/i] is a betrayal of the trust of the community, and I hope this doesn't go unanswered.[/b]
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1 返信I knew all the dipshit theories everyone had were spinmetal hat worthy. You idiots thought bungie was creative [spoiler]bahahahahajaha[/spoiler]
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I'm sorry i didn't read it all I know, but why are we all still surprised about bungie over hyping shit? WHY are we ALL SO SHOCKED. Guys bungie is shady, they just are. Destiny is a great game, but made and managed by shady people. It WILL NOT CHANGE, this is now confirmed. Either deal with it or gtfo. I choose the latter
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10 通の返信So this is really just a pride issue. You and others are peeved because you spent way too much time hoping for the glory and riches of discovery and then Bungie laid it in everyone's lap so long as they met a cert req. I mean ppl say Bungie led us on but then you read the OP and there's no real evidence. Their silence wasnt them implying anything. It's you inferring things.
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BuzZxKillntoNにより編集済み: 10/8/2015 4:53:18 PM[quote]Everyone keeps saying we chose to do this without them making us. THAT IS TRUE [/quote] End of argument. If you dont like it then I think the new [url=http://www.gamestop.com/xbox-one/games/transformers-devastation/122732]Transformers[/url] game is out. p.s. muted for being a little bitch!
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2 通の返信LemonLimeにより編集済み: 10/8/2015 4:50:22 PM
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6 通の返信Idk about you, but they did keep it hush hush so that people don't datamine and try to get it too early. For all we know the amount of dvalin turn-ins world wide hit the market they were looking for so the quest could be available. Like think about it, the dvalin was made to arm the citizens, maybe the sleeper simulant quest isn't actually over and that there is more than meets the eye to it? Also we did go around all the planet's to grab the dvalin and the parts and do quests and a strike to get all the parts, they didn't actually lie to us in the least sense.
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3 通の返信Yeah bungie never hyped the gun or the quest. You guys and your stupid gaming "news" outlets did all that yourselves.
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First let me just say great post omnisniper. Really nailed the issue on the button. The issue IMO is that bungie learned from ghallahorn. The sleeper is highly sought after and will be a dps machine. Bungie didn't want groups limiting the experience of randoms because they don't have a specific weapon. Thus just give it to everyone. In terms of what you said about bungie not allowing us to discover it i don't agree. The daily's have been full of secrets(ala black spindle) and I would expect those type of things to be more frequent. You still have to have found four relics and grind out warsat locations. Think if the Internet did not exist. This quest would have been really hard. As a community you have to understand our time was not wasted. All the time spent on trying to find the sleeper only made bungie release it sooner. Again great post omnisniper.
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2 通の返信We did collect relics to get the gun, however it was 4 and not 50. I'm not sure if you are aware but there's people going crazy about not having collected all four of those relics and complaining they still don't have the gun. Second bungie employees never said this would be better then a gally. The only gun a bungie employee said they loved and wished people enjoy more then the gally would have to be the malice. I don't understand how people can go on bitching about timed exotics when it's actually in a way preserving the longevity of the dlc. We have so much more to discover. Doesn't mean what we find will be game breaking. An just because you would like to run around looking for another fifty fragments doesn't mean the rest of us players would. We did that for the malice and I rather not do it again.
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lol these people blaming bungie for them taking it upon themselves to go hunt for clues like they were Indiana Jones/lara croft. HAHAHA please, show one post that bungie made where they said you had to hunt for this gun in every nook and cranny of this game in order to find it. i never saw one
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I feel you. Sadly I'm not really suprised. The Simulant quest was neat but it fell short from the discovery or mystery that was hyped about it. Old Bungie would have hidden actual clues in the wild. The hash codes would actually lead somewhere. They would lead to switches and triggers in the world. The triggers would be in scarab gun tier hidden places and would activate doomsday weapons that we have to stop. It would be a quest to find as many easter eggs as possible. Instead we get a reskinned mission from dark below, a reskinned cayde's stash, and literally not even a reskinned SABER strike. The only relief is that there wasn't some obnoxious fusion rifle crucible quest that required like 20 fusion rifle double kills without dying. So now we just wait around until the the next daily comes around where bungie allows us to get the No Time to Explain and pray we aren't busy.
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4 通の返信Black spindle kind of set a cool precedent, but now we know these things can go both ways.
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4 通の返信The only people that hyped this gun as gally 2.0 was the community. It's your own fault and Bungie has said over and over they don't want a re-run of an exclusive gun like gally. Sleeper is a great gun but it's not going to be the only go to gun which is great.
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1 返信So... you're upset. First off, you know being on the Reddit doesn't make you super official or anything right? I researched all about Iliodor, Ikelos, Rasputin, Charlemagne, and whatever else, to see if I could find clues. THAT was the fun part. The quest might seem a bit out of place. But honestly, if you hyped it up to be this one-hitting boss killer... you should be more careful in the future. I had fun, so did other people. Be pissed all you want, you are only letting yourself down.
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1 返信Dear Bungie, *cries* *Gets back on Destiny* ...another pathetic post starting with please bungie, as if this information is detrimental to your life.
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5 通の返信Keep searching... the Sleeper isn't complete... Dropped only requiring level 30... No other exotic does that, and it does seem a little weak given the hype... Maybe the hype is real, we just haven't opened its full potential.