[url=https://www.bungie.net/en/News/News?aid=13688]THANK YOU Bungie for acknowledging our search.[/url]
[i]Yesterday, those Guardians who had successfully foraged for crucial weapon fragments began the chase for the widely-anticipated Sleeper Simulant. The revelation of this new Quest was described as “awesome” by some. Others of you, who skipped meals and lost sleep on the hunt for the elusive Heavy Fusion Rifle, were not as pleased.
The response to Sleeper Simulant was humbling because we did not predict the community reaction. When we try new things, players often teach us a lesson about how to do it better, and this one has us thinking hard about how Quests communicate their availability. Our challenge is balancing between the secrecy that makes these hunts exciting, and transparency that could spoil the fun for the hunters. As long as the community is giving us feedback, we’ll keep seeking the ideal balance.[/i]
I still argue that 'time-gated content' is not the same thing as 'secrecy'.
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Please, we just want answers.
Here is the problem.
1. At TTK launch this gun was hyped as the 'Gjallarhorn 2.0'. It was a big deal. The first articles about this gun specifically said that there was a mystery quest to unlock it, and we would have to FIND IT by collecting relics and 'unlocking the gunsmiths memories'.
2. Bungie went along with this for 3+ weeks. They remained mostly silent, but they kept dropping hints like 'we can show you the door' and 'the truth is out there'. They led us on the whooole way. THEY MADE IT SEEM AS THOUGH IT WAS ALREADY AVAILABLE.
3. We over at /r/searchforthesleeper spent a LOT of time and effort during those 3 weeks trying to find this gun and unlock it for the rest of the community. We thought we were getting close when this happened...
4. Bungie releases the mission as time-gated material with NO mystery of how to unlock it. It simply shows up. That's it. The search is over. Our entire community was invalidated overnight. All of our time and effort was WASTED.
See why we are upset?
A whole community of gamers spent weeks searching for this thing. We thought we were doing the community a service by finding this gun that EVERYONE wanted. You tweeted about it, articles were published about it, the hype was real! "We can only show you the door...", "The truth is out there"? ALL of us had fully expected to be able to FIND this thing in-game, and then today you come out and release it as time-gated content? WHY would you do this? I can understand that you want to prolong the game and release content over time, that makes sense! But why would you purposely keep us looking for an item that WE CAN'T GET? Some of us put a lot of effort into finding this thing, only to find out that it was all wasted effort.
This has left some of us feeling really sour about the future of the game, especially if all of the upcoming content (and the remaining exotics) are going to be time-gated rather than actually hidden for us to find. There is no mystery in waking up to a free mission, there is no challenge in being given the answers. Why did you take this great potential and throw it all away?
Please, we just want an answer as to why it had to turn out like this.
Why didn't you just tell us we were wasting our time, like you did with the Basketball Court guys? Why?!
EDIT: Everyone keeps saying we chose to do this without them making us. THAT IS TRUE, but it was heavily implied THE ENTIRE TIME that this gun would be available through in-game events such as hidden secrets in daily heroics. Multiple tweets, articles, and even the Weekly Update pointed to this being the case. I wouldn't have had any problem with the way this turned out if they hadn't done that and led us on
EDIT2: Thanks to everyone for the bumps and trying to bring some attention to this issue. THE SLEEPER HAS BEEN "FOUND". Not really found, more given to us, but the search is at last over. We had a lot of fun looking for it, learning the lore, and now finally getting the gun. We're a bit disappointed that there really was no need for a search, and the lore surrounding this gun was not brought into the quest at all, and the quest was quite frankly garbage, but that's behind us now.
After all of this I doubt we'll get a response from Bungie, or if they do say something it will just be along the lines of "We don't want to spoil in game secrets", but I still believe that [b]creating hype to find an item [i]that literally cannot be found[/i] is a betrayal of the trust of the community, and I hope this doesn't go unanswered.[/b]
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[quote]2. Bungie went along with this for 3+ weeks. They remained mostly silent, but they kept dropping hints like 'we can show you the door' and 'the truth is out there'. They led us on the whooole way. THEY MADE IT SEEM AS THOUGH IT WAS ALREADY AVAILABLE.[/quote] As much as I would like to agree with you (i am pretty disappointed in the end results of how we got the Sleeper Simulant). I would like to point out that they only dropped these very ambiguous "hints". These hints could have been for other stuff in the game. These quotes do not support your argument for 2 reasons: 1. People chose to interpret these words as "hints" however they liked. Ex: you chose to interpret it as Bungie "leading you" I was thinking it was in reference to the ex-hidden door in the King's Fall raid 2. The reality of some of your quotes (ex: "we can show you the door") is not even the whole actual quote. This is the whole tweet by Deej [url]https://twitter.com/DeeJ_BNG/status/649704607199793152[/url]. If you follow the tweets, I don't think it was even an actual hint I cannot/will not support your argument in this post. Bungie is not responsible for what people do, so if people feel like they needed to look for the Sleeper Simulant when it was not even released yet, it is definitely their own choice and Bungie is not obligated to answer you. I feel like you just misled yourself and now you want to blame it on Bungie. If you provide some more solid evidence (rather than your vague "quotes") that they actually misled that. I will totally delete this post and send you an apology and support you 100%. But as it, I find this argument very misleading.
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3 通の返信I agree. Was a huge let down. Glad I have the gun now but to all the people that spent all their time trying to help the community only to realize one morning that oh hey look the quest it right here.. . Just disrespectful imo
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Mayonaizuにより編集済み: 10/8/2015 6:40:59 PMMoral of the story: just go with the flow. The content will come when they want it to come. No use in wasting hours upon hours of your life looking for something that might not even be available for whatever reason. It's just a game
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This is like getting pissed about the multiple Xur's and Megaman. Bungie never told you to data mine and disclose their secrets before they were ready. They may have done this as a lesson to quit trying to spills the beans before they are ready but you have no reason to blame Bungie. In this case Bungie bested you
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2 通の返信I think they got to making the quest for the sleeper and we're like.... Wait... Hold up... We can't make a gally 2.0...dont make it as good as it sounds... But we'll have to scrap most of this quest, otherwise it'll be another necrochasm blunder... We don't want it to be too hard or they'll be mad... -blam!- it, just give it to em say.... Oct 8...seems like a good and random day...
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1 返信Bungie's epic troll. This sucks hard for those of you who invested a ton of time researching, but for the rest of us, I'm glad I don't have to have a degree in Destiny to unlock a special gun.
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8 通の返信Those who searched tirelessly for meaning for the Pendant from Dark Souls would like to have a word with you. At least you didn't search months for the Stimulant only for it to not exist.
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7 通の返信The worst part of it all is... It a 290 weapon and the damage isn't all that amazing! Pretty disappointed in the whole quest and gun it self
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1 返信In all fairness (on a forum!?), Bungie stayed quit during all of this. It was GameInformer that set off all of the hype calling it "The making of Gjallerhorn 2.0". I'm a firm believer that everything that everyone has found is in relation to something else. So the sub-reddit should still be relevant, just for a different gun, armour, DLC.
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Bungie has pulled another one on the community and I for one find this hilarious as -blam!-. All you little desticles searched every part of the planets, scanning things, doing missions over and over and over again looking for clues that could be tied to the SS. They got ALL OF You, they hyped this weapon up so bad like the necrochasm.
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3 通の返信l9Funiculus88により編集済み: 10/8/2015 5:21:20 PMThe search was some of the most fun I had in destiny. Even read about mythology in my free time. I enjoyed the timed run quest. Found the public events tedious. And the strike underwhelming. Would have preferred some kind of action jumping puzzle. Imagine having to kill wizards in the piston jumping room in KF in under 3 minutes!!!! Not go cap some moronically large shank. With a doo-dad on its head. Prius-lookin-mufkr
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1 返信I'm terribly sorry for Bungie screwing you over, I would be furious with all that time I would have spent feeling I was helping the community, just to find out it was timed. Just a tip man, I learned this... never get too hyped about anything Bungie claims.
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1 返信Bungee never said it was "Gjallarhorn 2.0". It was people in the forums that don't know what they're talking about.
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Said it a thousand times it's locked but people kept saying no.. Gave up on trying to convince people and now look lol.. what a waste of time and especially people trying to do binary code really got me in stitches lol when half the people in this game couldn't even use the relic in Atheon fight but tried binary code.. Summed it up for me
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bakenfunk1により編集済み: 10/8/2015 5:36:02 PMMy grandfather lost his job in the industriall revolution when they made machines that could split wood more quickly, and more even on every piece. Moral of the story, a machine made your job obsolete. :-(
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1 返信I knew all the dipshit theories everyone had were spinmetal hat worthy. You idiots thought bungie was creative [spoiler]bahahahahajaha[/spoiler]