[url=https://www.bungie.net/en/News/News?aid=13688]THANK YOU Bungie for acknowledging our search.[/url]
[i]Yesterday, those Guardians who had successfully foraged for crucial weapon fragments began the chase for the widely-anticipated Sleeper Simulant. The revelation of this new Quest was described as “awesome” by some. Others of you, who skipped meals and lost sleep on the hunt for the elusive Heavy Fusion Rifle, were not as pleased.
The response to Sleeper Simulant was humbling because we did not predict the community reaction. When we try new things, players often teach us a lesson about how to do it better, and this one has us thinking hard about how Quests communicate their availability. Our challenge is balancing between the secrecy that makes these hunts exciting, and transparency that could spoil the fun for the hunters. As long as the community is giving us feedback, we’ll keep seeking the ideal balance.[/i]
I still argue that 'time-gated content' is not the same thing as 'secrecy'.
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Please, we just want answers.
Here is the problem.
1. At TTK launch this gun was hyped as the 'Gjallarhorn 2.0'. It was a big deal. The first articles about this gun specifically said that there was a mystery quest to unlock it, and we would have to FIND IT by collecting relics and 'unlocking the gunsmiths memories'.
2. Bungie went along with this for 3+ weeks. They remained mostly silent, but they kept dropping hints like 'we can show you the door' and 'the truth is out there'. They led us on the whooole way. THEY MADE IT SEEM AS THOUGH IT WAS ALREADY AVAILABLE.
3. We over at /r/searchforthesleeper spent a LOT of time and effort during those 3 weeks trying to find this gun and unlock it for the rest of the community. We thought we were getting close when this happened...
4. Bungie releases the mission as time-gated material with NO mystery of how to unlock it. It simply shows up. That's it. The search is over. Our entire community was invalidated overnight. All of our time and effort was WASTED.
See why we are upset?
A whole community of gamers spent weeks searching for this thing. We thought we were doing the community a service by finding this gun that EVERYONE wanted. You tweeted about it, articles were published about it, the hype was real! "We can only show you the door...", "The truth is out there"? ALL of us had fully expected to be able to FIND this thing in-game, and then today you come out and release it as time-gated content? WHY would you do this? I can understand that you want to prolong the game and release content over time, that makes sense! But why would you purposely keep us looking for an item that WE CAN'T GET? Some of us put a lot of effort into finding this thing, only to find out that it was all wasted effort.
This has left some of us feeling really sour about the future of the game, especially if all of the upcoming content (and the remaining exotics) are going to be time-gated rather than actually hidden for us to find. There is no mystery in waking up to a free mission, there is no challenge in being given the answers. Why did you take this great potential and throw it all away?
Please, we just want an answer as to why it had to turn out like this.
Why didn't you just tell us we were wasting our time, like you did with the Basketball Court guys? Why?!
EDIT: Everyone keeps saying we chose to do this without them making us. THAT IS TRUE, but it was heavily implied THE ENTIRE TIME that this gun would be available through in-game events such as hidden secrets in daily heroics. Multiple tweets, articles, and even the Weekly Update pointed to this being the case. I wouldn't have had any problem with the way this turned out if they hadn't done that and led us on
EDIT2: Thanks to everyone for the bumps and trying to bring some attention to this issue. THE SLEEPER HAS BEEN "FOUND". Not really found, more given to us, but the search is at last over. We had a lot of fun looking for it, learning the lore, and now finally getting the gun. We're a bit disappointed that there really was no need for a search, and the lore surrounding this gun was not brought into the quest at all, and the quest was quite frankly garbage, but that's behind us now.
After all of this I doubt we'll get a response from Bungie, or if they do say something it will just be along the lines of "We don't want to spoil in game secrets", but I still believe that [b]creating hype to find an item [i]that literally cannot be found[/i] is a betrayal of the trust of the community, and I hope this doesn't go unanswered.[/b]
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If I had to guess its because the steps to actually continue the quest were bugged. Something was probably supposed to happen after you collected the 4 fusion rifles but it wasn't working as intended, so they just kinda patched it to get it going. Would definitely explain the lack of voice acting and narrative, and it suddenly just appearing out of nowhere.
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2 通の返信Howard MoonXLIIにより編集済み: 10/8/2015 8:12:44 PMPeople never stop complaining, do they? This gun is to difficult to get, waaa! This gun is to easy to get, waaaa! This gun is OP, waaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaa! This gun is underpowered, waaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaa! Just stop.
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1 返信Genuine Tiggerにより編集済み: 10/8/2015 8:04:42 PMOk I'm not saying this is true but it's just more speculation for myself and you others to go over, ok. I think destiny might have made a bug within the way you would find the sleeper quest this leads me to believe that they just put up the mission because they weren't able to fix it and it isn't very detailed either, it seems like it was just made within a couple hours because there was not much unique dialog if any, no explanation for why the hive and taken were there and even why a giant knight showed up. So I think they messed up somewhere and wasted everyone's time with the sleeper hunt. Don't get me wrong, I'm glad to have the sleeper but I believe they could have at least been honest with us instead of being so secretive. It would have been a lot more appreciated Like Hunter said below me[ I didn't read the post below until after]
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XenomorphWraithにより編集済み: 10/8/2015 7:16:10 PMDestiny Update "The one about the Sleeper Simulant..." -Due to many factors causing people to cry over this weapon, we've decided to touch base on all aspects to make this weapon feel worth the effort to get it. -Damage has been increased by 50%, spare ammo reserves have been increased by 20%(two more shots) -All IKELOS fusion cores in the Sleeper Simulant fusion rifles have abruptly gone into overdrive and ultimately destroyed the weapons. All Sleeper Simulant fusion rifles acquired up to this point have been removed from your inventory and can no longer be bought from the kiosk. -A new version of the Sleeper Simulant, titled the Whiner Simulant, can now be obtained. To get this weapon, you must do the following: •Collect an Essence of Salt from Atheon, Crota, Oryx and Doctor Skolas, the Kell of Orange Soda. The finishing blow to these bosses must be done by a Year One Gjallarhorn. Once all essences have been collected, turn them in to the sweeper bot for a Wedge of Cheese •Decimate opponents in the upcoming Iron Banner to the point where Lord Salad has to call the match off. Acquire 7 "No Mercy" medals in Iron Banner. Lord Salad will bestow you with a Jar of Tears. •Finally, you must complete 77 Heroic strikes, collect 777 hadium flakes, and kill Randal the Vandal. Return to the Speaker for a fragment titled "Memories of the Legends". -Once you have these components, return them to Banshee-44 to receive the WAAH fusion core. Then do the same steps you originally did for the Sleeper Simulant and you'll be the proud owner of the awesome, over-hyped Whiner Simulant!
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im sure people have already said this - but my theory on this is BECAUSE of the vast effort and digging implemented by the community, either we had found things out before the weapon was actually available in game, or that bungie had decided to make it available for the sheer fact that we had gathered enough knowledge on it and rewarded us. regardless, stop acting so entitled. IMO, we do not NEED a response from bungie as to the "why". most of us have it now and thats all that should matter.
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That's messed up but not out-of-character for Bung. This is their same MO. I vaguely remember spending days on something similar way back. We are long past "shame on them", it's been shame on us for a long time now. So I think a lot of your anger comes from having been so gullible, again. Been there.
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4 通の返信Hey guys, doing a random survey right now. Don't mind the thread starter. What are you guys having for lunch today? I'm having ribs w/ rice.
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2 通の返信I don't give two shits. I'm just waiting for everything to be revealed so I can binge game it when I have the time.
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they did something most games fail to do, got the community to work together. That alone is enough to forgive them for the deception. I personally spent 3 weeks hunting it and loved seeing everyone contribute to it.
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1 返信im starting to really wonder if after no one getting to step 2 in 3-4 weeks they looked and noticed the quest was actually glitched and not progressing properly, so they quickly duct taped a mission together and threw it out with the 4 relics collected as a prerequisite so the quest could actually be completed and maybe no one would notice... that or it wasn't even in the game till today and the just hotfixed it in when no one was looking so it could be obtained. yeah i know thats boarder line conspiracy nut levels of a theory but something about this whole chain of events seems off, i can't quite put my finger on what about it makes it seem so odd though.
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1 返信I think we are all making assumptions that this first stage of acquiring the sleeper is the entirety of it. It is more likely that the sleeper will evolve along the same path as husk of the pit / nechrochasm. We will get the "base model" sleeper stimulant from the known steps up till today. Going forward there will be additional steps to unlock the full ability of the weapon. This is probably the first step in a long process. Let's all be a little patient and see.
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I'm kinda sad the conspiracy theories are put to bed now. Was kinda funny watching people lose theirs minds over one sentence tweets. Glad I got the gun though. Good work to the people who found what they could. It probably was glitched. Some of what they said was true. You'd need a fireteam, good luck soloing that strike. Puzzles, the codes we're puzzle like if u didn't have the forums to read. I'm good with how it is and the pay out was pretty good really.. Can someone just enjoy the game and it's content with me?
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No sour feeling here...ill get the sleeper and use it if it's good in my view....they didn't say on day one TTK...ready,set,go the hunt for sleeper begins now!!(if they did say that in exact words or similar please link so you prove me wrong here) did they tell you to go look for it? Or did the community assumed the hunt for it began?...I know the quest feels a little lackluster...but it was better then some of the other exotic weapon quests so no complaints here
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bigdeeztrankleにより編集済み: 10/8/2015 8:01:43 PMI didn't even know this quest even happened. No clue the sleeper simulant was available. So I have to wait for a quest. I'm all for secrets and stuff but come on. So if I don't read the forums, play the game, or read Reddit everyday I'm missing out? Bogus.