People need to stop being like "SLEEPER SUCK CUS GHORN DID MORE DAMAAAGE" Sleeper is not bad. Nothing will ever be on ghorns level though, not because ghorn was "an amazing weapon that everyone loves" but because ghorn was TOO POWERFUL. Bungie isnt going to get rid of ghorn just to introduce something just as powerful.

I'll say it once agian; 'microtransactions distraction' The community go's bananas over microtransactions, so what do they do!? Yes that's right let's give 'm the one thing there looking for.

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I have it and used it. telesto is superior. the damage is high on Sleeper but it has loads of recoil. its ok I guess. (inspect me to see it)

How are you going to form an opinion on something you never used yourself? Its like me saying I don't want vanilla ice cream because I heard people say it was nasty.

[spoiler]It's not competition if one of them is stuck at 170.[/spoiler]

Have fun using Raze Lighter on any of the raid bosses, RIP u.

its no where as strong as the Ghorn before the nerf... on lvl 36 bosses on a 296 version im doing 14k damage on a head shot where i know its stronger then all the lmgs/rocket launchers out there and sword so yes i see it being a good heavy but i dont think that thing -blam!-s more then Malice..

these idiots spent weeks looking for this gun that wasnt even in the game you think they are just going to admit thats its underwhelming?

Have you used gally lately? On end game mobs? It's not very good!

Why does it need to be the absolute best gun in the game? It's a great gun and fun to use. No gun should feel required to get or use. I enjoy it and I think you would be dumb to not use it or get it because someone says it isn't good. It's fun to use and kills majors in one shot. Yeah that sounds like a bad gun to me. And you haven't used it yet but can say it's not good? That's like listening to your gay friend tell you vagina doesn't feel that good.