Good for you. Spoken like a true liberal. Make us play like you because we're all the same, right? Friggin idiots everywhere lol Muted!

Except in most MMOS weapons are nothing more than stat sticks. Not in Destiny. Every weapon handles uniquely with its special effects and flavor. You can't tell me swapping between Fatebringer and Word of Crota doesn't feel different.

This is a fantasy science fiction video game. Every one has a right to play it in their own manner and you have no right to call them all idiots for disagreeing with being told that their favorite tools will hold little value in a game that has less content than what they have truly paid for. You talk about this being constant practice in MMOs. Well, this released with a third to a quarter the content of most MMOs. The Elder Scrolls Online has much more content for less money, and plenty of free to play MMOs have just as much content for less. People are aggravated at losing a chance to use their favorite tools because they found them to be a reliable way to navigate this bullshit ad nauseum grind. Gunplay has been the only consistently good component of this game, so of course, when something becomes as familiar to you as an extension of your arm, it will be upsetting to think it may be useless, especially after it has been the only thing to provide you with joy in this game.

You're just reposting the same arguments that have been posted and refuted over and over again. Weapon ascension makes things better no matter how you try to spin it.

Thing here is there have been 2 dlcs released and it's still the original weapons that are superior. To me it feels they are stopping us from using the superior weapons so we have to use inferior ones to increase the grind. 2 dlcs, 2 disappointments, why would a third be any different??

Weapon obsolescence in a game where obtaining and building up a weapon is part of the mystique of the game seems antithetical.

We will see how much play time is reduced in TTK I guess. Personally I like to play with my brothers and friends on destiny. It has great game play and the multiplayer raids set it apart from anything else. Te thing is, I did countless LFG based raids with people I didn't know, for each of my 3 players. The reason? [b]To get the good shit.[/b] Many of us were under the impression that destiny was supposed to be different than any other game. That we were building a legend with all kinds of tools to kill the bad guys with. New dlcs have perks for the new enemies and they come out with unique and powerful weapons to add to our arsenal. But apparently that's not how it's gonna be. We are expected to just hit a restart button every few months and start the grinding wheel! Play the same thing for 400+ hours to aquire nothing. If we are just gonna swap things out every dlc and I loose the reason for over 50% of my play time. Why would so many of us have done 50+ Crota easy raids only for a chance to get the black hammer, if it was only gonna be good for a month or 2? I already bought TTK before the drama started. So I will play it to experience the new stuff and if something doesn't drop, no sweat. Never again will I grind. Daily play time will drop. Hell it already has! I have 3 pages of friends I met on LFG in the first year that are GONE. They dropped like flies shortly after HOW was released. Players know the deal now. Madden and COD are fun, but I don't wanna play them very often. Destiny seems to heading this way. It will be better to buy a cheap destiny package deal every couple years and get 2 years worth of content for cheap. I'm fine with that. I wonder if they will make it 10 years? I was a die hard destiny fan, and they have [b]ghorn #1'd [/b]that to smithereens with HOW, 2.0 super nerf, and veterans having only freaking badge to show for all their time they put into the game. Ascend your favorite things while you play this crappy dlc and you can't use them when we release an actual dlc with a raid. That is BS.

If this wasn't an RNG based loot system I could agree with this. Rpg style games usually throw weapons at you by the second. Destiny makes you crawl for these guns and when you get them they are trophies. And I must ask... Since this is another "let's call destiny an Rpg/MMO" post. When you played through FFVII, how soon did you dismantle your buster sword?? FFVII was one of the greatest RPG's of all time no? I continued to upgrade mine with materia.

I hate this whole rpg excuse...this isn't an rpg! If there is no new gun with the exact stats and perks as fatebringer with higher damage output then no we aren't upgrading. It's that simple. Just because you are ok leaving something doesn't mean someone else is. Bungie isn't making better weapons stats and perk wise. So they aren't really making better weapons. Just making our old ones useless for newer pos guns.

My issue is that, so far, the new guns have always been lesser than the originals, perk wise. My favorite, the fatebringer, does arc, hits hard, has a big mag, is accurate, and the firefly perk makes it crowd control with even more arc. The most satisfying thing in the game I've seen is popping one thrall in the head and seeing the rest of its group flop away disintegrating. Dark Below came out. The Word of Crota had a similar mag and accuracy, but does void (only two enemies I know of that have void shield, and one only shows up in one nightfall) and has no firefly. I thought "well that looks cool, but what's the point? Even with the greater level, it's not as good as fatebringer." I don't have a problem with dismantling my old stuff and powering up new stuff, it gives the game a sense of progression. But when the new stuff has crap perks compared to the old stuff, I'd rather stick with what I have. P.s. Good perks are useful constantly and in a lot of situations. Bad perks are useful in very limited situations. Perks that only affect one enemy type or even one species are bad perks (except in the Crota guns where they are bonuses). Perks that activate sparingly are bad perks (reload your gun when you super, boosting your grenade when you grab an orb). Make good perks, and people will use them. Make bad perks, and people will clamor for ascensions.

Well what? You haven't done a single raid! In regular crucible a blue gun works fine. You would not known what a real legendary gun is and you are commenting like no big deal. Look at your grimore score. Once you have done all those raids and achieved those guns. Then say no big deal. Till then you are not qualify to speak on the subject.

Well heres the thing. You are right about weapons become obsolete and we should just ger over it. The problem is destiny kind of doesnt di the nice things that other rpgs do. 1. Constant power spikes on a grinding type game feels like a spit in the face (most rpg dont make weapons and armor obsolete until at least a year) People dont like grinding for months for nothing. Its too fast. 2. Content. While HoW is a definate improvement and feels right with the different places to aquire goods. Prior was only repetive content of missions and raids done to the point of nausium. There is an amount of suffering we do to get the gear we want. (Im not saying i like things easier, i just like more fun things to do) 3. Destiny 2 is not out yet. This is still destiny 1. Im not getting skill ups or new skills. Im not improving in any way like other rpgs. They just moved the carrot stick. Most rpgs have some sort of character progression to have fun and play along with. So time, content, and progression is done poorly with these power creep. Its usually forgivable in most rpgs but for some reason pisses people off in destiny. This is why i think why.

OP you have not played enough of the game. Your account shows one character. You have not completed a raid. You play pvp. What if Bungie discontinued the reward, rep, and crucible marks for all pre-TTK pvp maps? TTK Iron Banner and ToO will only have pre-TTK weapons & armor, and will not give crucible marks. Would you still be excited to play all of the pvp content? This is what Bungie is doing to pve. When TTK comes out 3/4 of pve end game content will be irrelevant. If Bungie lets older gear ascend, it give a reason for players to run all raids. Pve will get boring fast in TTK.

I did a post about this. My idea...let us use old Raid weapons as crafting materials to create "adept" versions of new legendary weapons. It would make raids useful again, diversify weapons and be awesome. Example: Oversoul+new legendary pulse= Arc legendary pulse.

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It this was a third person game or an actual mmo where gear are just different stat sticks that have no different feeling to them then I'd be in perfect agreement. The problem is that destiny is a fps and in first person shooters different guns hopefully have different feelings. I love how my red hand feels and I love how my devil you know feels. I really -blam!-ing hate how thorn handles and sounds and feels even though it's one of if not the best weapon in the game right now. If I run last word I have to turn off controller vibration for the same reason. Also a pretty great appeal to the endgame gear system was horizontal progression. Rares are rares, legendaries are legendaries, and exotics are exotics. Now it's "This rare will be better than this legendary, and this legendary will be better than this other legendary but only in these certain endgame modes and not others, and exotics will still either be broken or useless depending on which one you're talking about"

Tell me, have you suddenly encountered nails that have a 'hit' rating that your dad's old hammer suddenly can't deal with? I'm guessing you use the new hammer because you like it more, not because it hits nails faster. You've had the freedom to make a choice. [spoiler]I'm also going to make a prediction and suggest your dad's old hammer will still be around long after your new one has shattered.[/spoiler]

It has had a stair climbing style game for year one. Year two progression graph has more of a slope styled graph. Check recent reviews.

Ahh the tears of all the whiners about losing their guns. /popcorn

Bump. New weapons to love. And new weapons for the cry babies to snivel about being over powered.

Are we really becoming legend if we can't bring some of our legendary gear with us into the next great adventure? Here's my solution: I think we should be allowed to bring [i][b][u]ONE[/u][/b][/i] of our favorite legendary guns from [b][i][u]EACH WEAPON TYPE[/u][/i][/b] So for example I could bring... Scout rifle: VOC sniper rifle: LDR 5001 Rocket launcher: the fear Machine gun: the swarm And so on... Into year 2 This would allow us to hang on to our favorite guns and still make new gear very good and sought after. Please leave your thoughts below, I'm open to criticism and alternative ways. Maybe we can bring one primary,secondary, and heavy.

You dont have fatebringer or suros. Your only exotic is plan c, which you havent even used. So dont even try to tell me to get over my guns. You havent earned most of the rain weapons, only to hear that you wont be able to use them. Talk to me once you have 90% of the raid weapons, then ill consider your statement.