I didn't liked it,but I'm happy autos are back

They fuc[b]k[/b]ed up on fusions, ice breaker and gally

As far as I'm concerned this may be another example of how stupid Bungie is. Yes maybe they did finally do what they needed to do with shotgun and auto rifles and the thorn, but at what cost? They have just rendered black hammer 100% useless and that weapon could only truly be exploited in PvE anyway, furthermore that exploit for the most part only works on nightfall bosses. Sure you might be able to score a couple sets on skolas but normally you have to keep ducking into cover and worrying about your poison timer to truly abused the weapon in prison of elders. Not to mention you have to leave yourself completely open to attack, not have any radar, and keep up a perfect tempo without missing in order to use it, therefore rewarding good skill. Then we have the threat of ghorn ending up being sub par too. However I can't say that until I have tested it with the new changes, maybe it will be okay I'm hoping. Furthermore, I was just finally able to find a good pulse rifle that works for me and now they're nerfing pulse rifles back into the dirt, hear me out, you need to be able to kill people with only two very well placed bursts with a pulse rifle because of how the gun was made to function and the fact that it's nearly useless at close range unless your a hip fired expert. Pulse rifles were not meant fight shotguns at close range, they're meant for medium and long range. I see no issue with being able to kill a sniper at medium range if you get first shot at him because you have that pinpoint accuracy you get from only being able to 3 round burst. I'm hoping the head seeker perk still can compensate, but taking 3 or 4 bursts to kill someone with a pulse rifle if you're being reasonably accurate seems stupid to me. Also if I read it correctly it looks like they're nerfing fusion rifles even further into the ground when they already have fallen out of popularity in crucible. Why the hell would you make them even more useless? I may be wrong but it seems like those changes would make them even more unusable. In conclusion, yes some of the base changes were good, and yes some of the exotic changes were also extremely good but I think the cost of a couple different weapons specifically and an entire weapon class possibly being driven further into obscurity shows that they can't make a good decision without screwing something up royally. But only time will tell and I sincerely hope I'm wrong.

I'm don't know why they nerfed fusions again. They've already been beaten down enough. I used my buddies black hammer a week ago and wanted it even more from Crota, I'm missin fang, word and black. Now, I'm not really in a rush for it. Icebreakers increased recharge rate isn't that bad. The Ghorn tweak really wasn't necessary but not like we can do anything about it or the few changes I've mentioned above. I'm glad they tweaked Thorn/TLW. Screw all the whiners complaining about them nerfing those two guns. Crucible and well PvP all together haven't been something I'm into. I didn't buy destiny for that but then again I haven't really gotten what they were peddling back when they were hyping it up either. Lately all you find are Thorns or LWs in the matches. Gettin blasted by TLW from across the map faster than you can react is just stupid. I like the gun but just cause of the way it looks when you shoot it. Thorn babies, well, I don't really have to say anything. The gun is and was fun when I first got it a long while back but I never really liked it. My color blind ass can't see the sights on some maps and I just don't like the way it "feels" when you're using it. Hopefully we'll see a change up in crucible weapon load outs but I'm sure some chumps will still try to spam the hell out of their Thorns/LWs. The overall adjustment to HCs aren't that sever and yes, I do love my HCs. They've been my shit since I picked up Lord High Fixer way back when. Since TDB I've been running my Red Hand all the time. Now I got a Up the Ante I'm working on maxing, 12 round mag, good RoF, decent impact and range with final round, and LiTC. : D Im also glad ARs will have some fight back in them, the original nerf was so damn stupid. Shotguns having their range closed off is good also. I run a shotgun in PvE and when I play PvP. When rngesus drops you a judgement VI w/ shot package, hammer forged and LitC that's something to make use of, haha. But I didn't abuse the range like some folks do. Shotguns are meant for being up close and getting dirty. All those shotguns snipers out there will probably bitch about that. Guess we'll just have to wait and see how the changes effect gameplay. I just really wish those fools at Bungie could find a way to nerf the guns they have to in PvP without -blam!-ing over the PvE crowd.

Looks like hard light might be the new op.

This is just the calm before the real storm. This was to simply make this generation of weapons irrelevant, so they can make people re grind for the new ones & delete them out since no new vault space is added. lol It isn't going to stop people on lfg from being exclusionary asshats. Had Bungie put in matchmaking with options, people wouldn't have to lfg in the first place. In the end it is, what it is.

The only thing that was needed was the auto rifle rebuff

Black Hammer and Ice Breaker were unnecessary. Even though I'm an Xbox user I can see the problem with Hawkmoon's stacking, but increasing the mag size was unnecessary.

feel like the black hammer and ice breaker nerfs were unnecessary, and not sure why they nerfed fusions again

Black hammer and icebreaker didn't needed a nerf imo The Gjallarhorn nerf depends on the damage redution it will get Except that i agree

I'm bummed that my hopscotch pilgrim and my praetorian foil are getting nerfed, but I'm excited to try out new weapons.

I'm bummed about Black Hammer. I always found myself only having 4 bullets left but maintained white nail so I didn't worry about it. Guess I'll just have to put my stocked up special synths to use. I think gjally needed a nerf though. Hated how much people relied on it for PoE

I liked everything except for the fusion rifle nerf. What the heck Bungie this is like the 3rd time you've nerfed fusion rifles, they need a buff not a nerf.

i have everything mentioned in the tuning and i loved it but i didnyt like the pulse rifle tune thatmuch

Black hammer: good change but they should have added more frequent ammo drops to compensate with the inventory thing Ice breaker: didnt really see the need to change it as 5 seconds is a decent time to wait already Ghorn: although in a little pissed about the nerf i feel that this would make the game actually challenging instead of nuking bosses. Hopefully it will stop (need 1 w max ghorn for skolas.

For every good thing they did they did something bad that overshadowed it. Hate 2.0

I dont really play destiny anymore but I get on here from time to time to see if they've fixed the things in the game that made me quit. Its funny to see them still catering to all the crybabies in pvp and ruining the pve experience in the process still. They really -blam!-ed up the guns this time. Lol

Everyone thinks the sniper nerfs were unneeded, what about my fusion rifles? They got hit in the nerf crossfire

I have no problem with most of it, but I don't see any reason for nerfing Black Hammer and Ice Breaker. Also, I don't see why we get a smaller mag on hand cannons in PvE. Other than that, i'm fine with it.

Wooooooooo! My only complaint is that we have to wait until September.

Gjallarhorn Idc about cause I don't have one, black hammer like u wot m8?