Honestly the balancing of thorn and last word seem fair. It's the overall hand cannon nerf that has me worried.

Back to Suros Regime everyone. Ever notice that people will use certain weapons that are better than others. No variety in this game btw , just switch to the next OP weapon. To those YouTubers who become elitests. Them using a certain weapon shows noobs what to use. I'm using Suros now that I have 3. And the cycle will begin all over again.

I've noticed that some of the people that say "Good people" do this and this fit in some of these categories of players -Bad PvP player -PvE player -Thorn or TLW user -Barely played any PvP matches player

Yep

Ppl who can't live without using thorn /TLW will be like: "I get shot by thorn i dont die so quickly.. " "Its not op, i never died from it.. bla bla.." "I kill thorn users all the time with a green gun.." They're just defending their pathetic "skills" ..

Bump

Disagree... But, kind of agree. Im average but I've spent enough time in the Crucible. Thorn and TLW dominate from mid to close range. They are both easily countered at range with Mida or Red Death or a similar legendary. That being said, everyone knows they are the most versatile guns. This is mostly because the average pvp encounter is at close or mid range. I've adapted to where I don't really care what my enemy is using. I blame myself when I die because it's almost always my fault. I don't mind Thorn because I know how to counter it and I actually like how the burn gives me instant knowledge of what my opponent is using and if I can survive an exchange. There's only one thing that scares me in the Crucible and that's the sick nasty snipers. I've been exclusively running NLB. Sometimes with another sniper, there is nothing deadlier. I don't know what I'm trying to say but I think it's something like adapt and survive

As soon as you try to divide people based on opinion you make a fool out of yourself. The fate of all fools is always the same; rejection. Now I'll take my leave. Good-bye.

[spoiler]its okay to cry. We all have died to it. I'm sorry you don't have it or cannot manage to beat someone with another weapon. Have you tried red death? Suros? Bad juju? Hawkmoon(prolly not ;) ) messenger? Scholar!? Even legendary guns are good! Bet you didn't know that! [/spoiler]

I personally am tiredof seeing thorn,and lw i have to use either one just to counter it. I want to use fatebringer or spare change or even vision but whats the pot when i die from thorns ridiculous accuracy and dot. Or the accuracy and the ads bug. Blink shotgunners are bad as well i feel like there should be a wait time to shoot the shotty after blinking and the cooldown for blinks needs a cool down increase

Thorn gets defended because it meant something to get it, before RNG became more reliable, the bounty was probably a lot of people's first exotic and damn near impossible to complete. That being said, it probably has more range than it should, take away the send it perk, and reduce the recoil. Shield regenerating by other in-game mechanics should stop the weapons burn. [spoiler]Gjallarhorn needs a PvE nerf, I don't see any posts on that....[/spoiler]

Thorn is definitely on the OP side, getting double tapped from across the map is getting really old, 1 hit is bullshit from those forcing final round Last Word is broken, first part of the perk blatantly states bonus damage and stability, yet we get no extra damage per hit or a damage proc All hand cannons are capable of 2 shot kills, under optimum conditions.

I don't really want them nerfed. I don't like using exotic hand cannons (even though I own all of them). I just want auto rifles to be on the same level as the other guns, because right now they aren't.