It used to be easier. Push Templar off of a ledge, and later, push Atheon off of a ledge.

I got carried through my first vog, i was lvl26, grabbed icebreaker from gorgon chest (wasnt sold before, pissed off the guys carrying me). Had no clue what was going on, spent a good 20 minutes at jumping puzzle. Downed atheon in about 5 tries (guys standing at back didnt get teleported, so easier to carry ppl). We didnt even utilize the middle platform and bubble, just everyone shooting like crazy from everwhere. Lvl26 allows revives, so we didnt wipe, just kept going. Just had to retry because we couldnt down him in time before enrage (i bet most people dont even know he can enrage, he dies too quickly nowadays). It was fun, but didnt understand one bit of it. I did learn to fear that damn jumping puzzle :p I got maybe 2 or 3 encounters just like that, because i got randomly invited into a raiding party by just hanging out in the tower. Untill i got a steady raiding group (also random encounter) and have been grinding vog ever since. I never did get that fatebringer or helmet to drop well after tdb was released. Ce was dead easy compared to that. Got most of the gear in the first few weeks. The only thing making it hard was the lag and crota doing silly shit he wasnt supposed to. We recently revisited ce with a buddy (just the two of us) we both wanted a third Black Hammer, that means doing it on easy. Pff what a joke, its an elaborate strike. Did cheeze the bridge tho. Got crota down first try before ogres. And we both got a black hammer (lucky!) Vog was the best, and still is, imo. It can still provide a challenge and the atmosphere is great. Im kinda envious of you, experiencing it for the first time only recently. That first time i didnt know what was going on, but i really did admire the scenery. It was really exciting. I also liked revisiting it in a mission in the dlc, too bad it was so short. Anyway, sorry for the rant. I really hope ttk will have an awesome raid that will surpass vog. Vog, then, a 9 (really hard, especially because nothing is explained), Now a 6, can provide a challenge, but if you know what youre doing, it isnt too hard. Ce, then a 5, only because crota is a bitch, otherwise a 3 Now a 1-2, we can easily two man it, including hard mode (who has the level advangage now, bitch? :p)

I remember trying our hardest even though we were under levelled at the time - didn't even build the spire! once we levelled up it was still bloody hard at first, a proper challenge, a proper raid

Only hard bit was Atheon cos people kept failing on the teleports.. Then i solod it on my warlock hahaah