Ideal imo is probably Thorn, Felwinter (hammer forged and Shot Package), Against All Odds/Jolder/Deviant Gravity (with Field Scout, feeding frenzy)

My go to crucible load out is: Primary - thorn/tlw/nit-c Secondary - feltwinter/lightOFabyss Heavy - deviant grav-a/radaghast fury(w/track)

Same love hand cannons Hate scouts

I use Red Death or Mida with a sniper and against all odds

If you're going with TLW then roll with a sniper as your secondary. One of the low impact, high rate of fire ones (e.g. praedyths revenge or any faction sniper). Longbow/ldr/spear are good too but there's really no point in using them outside of skirmish unless you have final round. If you're using final round outside of control, prepare to get some hate sent your way by sweaty tryhards. For a heavy, use a rocket with proximity. You can get more kills with an hmg but that's a higher risk. If so, use a high impact low rate of fire one. Protip: corrective measure and song of ir yut are not PvP machine guns, their perks are based around PvE. You can find some of the same archetype with PvP perks.

So I have: TLW - Smart Drift Control + Perfect Balance and Secret Handshake - Field Choke + Hammer Forged + Rangefinger As far as heavies go, I don't have any decent legendaries (unless Hunger is counted).

TLW/Thorn/Red Death Shotgun with shot package/Sniper LMG/Rocket with proximity

Tlw LDR/efrideets and jolders. Praedyths is good but only beginners should use that full auto sniper.

Thorn/ TLW Felwinters/ Praedyth's Radegast's/ Jolders

Thorn/TLW Felwinter's Lie Jolder's Hammer That seems to be the most popular load out if the forums are to be believed.

TLW (Perfect balance) Felwinters (Anything with shot package/rangefinder and hammer forged) Jolders (Rodeo/Counterbalance, field scout and crowd control) Or radegasts (Clown cartridge and grenades & horseshoes)

Which character you plan on using? Aww screw it, I have 3 hours to kill at the airport. Here we go. Whoever you decide to use, think of their strong points. Hunters: mean and fast. Kill em before they even know what the -blam!- happened. From range or close and personal. Titans: dish out the damage while taking it. Haha, while taking it. Anyways moving on. Warlocks: mid range masters that can control an area and of course come back from the dead "I'm back bitches!" Pretty tanky too if set up right. The reason I bring all this crap up is because it should effect your loadout. For example. Your choice of last word. (Great gun). Awesome if you're using blade dancer, void walker and striker titan. Because those subclasses are suppose to be in your face a bit. No point in taking last word in if you plan on sitting back a bit with a golden gun, defending with a bubble or controlling an area with sun singer. Better to take thorn or hawkmoon then. Primaries to take if you plan on rushing. Last word, bad juju, time on target sometimes. More importantly for rushing is your special. Take a good shotgun. Like felwinter lie or felwinters lie. Another good option is felwinters lie. Lol. Secret hanshake, two in the morgue are great options and work even better in a lot of cases depending on the rolls you got on them. Almost forgot, invective if you are not using an exotic slot yet. Take whatever heavies that make you smile. Rockets are hit or miss but fast and quick. Hmgs usually get you more kills but you still have to work for it a bit. Good options. Rockets: radeghast fury (100% spelled wrong), the truth, hezen from vog is pretty good. Seen some people use the ce rocket. And of course ghally, but do you really want to use your exotic spot for it? Plan on sitting back? Take thorn, hawkmoon, red death, 3 little words. Specials, you can go shotguns but snipers are awesome. ldr, longbow, p&t people are even using icebreaker and black hammer now. Depends on the map but if the map is big enough for you to sit back or has good lines of sight, snipers can be deadly. Holy crap that's a lot of text. Thanks for giving me something to do and sorry if 90 percent of this was completely unnecessary. Good luck, have fun. P.s. don't ask for nerfs. It's looked down upon. Lol. Jk. God I wish my plane wasn't delayed.

I've been rocking this lately 3 Little Words/ Red Death 2 to the Morgue Thunderlord/ Jolder's Hammer I've had my best run ever. I also didn't touch PvP much before the last Iron Banner. Now it's fun. I still suck overall though. I find the Pulse rifles to be a little more forgiving and can get kills more consistently with them than the Handcannons.