(INFANTRY) personally i think it should be no for infantry, but for any other part of military SURE!
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2 通の返信Kekyoin's Underwater Donutにより編集済み: 3/22/2015 10:20:13 AMI honestly have no intention to join a combat role if I ever was given the choice. So I have no right to say whether they should or not. I think that if the women can pass all the same standards as a male than sure. That's what equality is, right? Yet some women think they can have that AND the special rights they had being women at the same time. That's not equality, that's just misandry. You either stay as a "women", or you become one of the "men", but with boobs and different private parts. That's my opinion.
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Honestly I don't like it, but hey they wanna be seen as equals and so I say let them have their shot if they meet male requirements then hell ya and also while we are at it let them be draft able too, cause they wanna be equal. If they handle then awesome and if they wuss out then hey it's solves the two problems of women in military and women complaining about being equal but only elevating their own status above men. XD so I mean yeah you can all disagree and that's perfectly fine, I'll support your opinion as much as my own, but I will always choose mine over your own cause it's mine. Doesn't mean I don't like listening to other peoples.
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41 通の返信nucleartestbunnyにより編集済み: 3/21/2015 7:19:57 AMBelieve it or not their are actually reasons that women have been restricted from serving in the military under a combat roll. The main one is actually hygienic. Combat arms guys tend to spend a lot of time out in the field. Sometimes weeks or months on end and often showers and such aren't a option. Women have different equipment in their pants and it can be very susceptible to infection if they cannot maintain proper hygiene and they could become seriously ill or even succumb to toxic shock. The second issue is the difference in physical attributes namely strength. You see in a firefight if we take a casualty I must be able to carry my battle buddy to safety if necessary meaning I could have to fireman carry a guy whose 200-300 lbs+ gear if necessary. Many women simply lack the physical prowess to do that. However that of course wouldn't be an issue if the women were required to meet the same Physical training requirements as men. Unfortunately however that's usually not how it goes. Usually they lower the requirements to accommodate females rather then requiring them to meet the same physical standards as men. If a woman can meet the standards and carry me for 4 miles then fine give her a shot. But they shouldn't lower the standards to accommodate her. The final issue is a tough one and I'm probably gonna catch flak for it but I say it because it's true, it's about fraternization and unit moral. We all know what happens between men in women. Now imagine that in a combat unit. Imagine the female is involved with one soldier but decides to move on to another guy within the unit. Don't you think their is going to be resentment, animosity and jealousy going on? How are you going to trust the man to your left and right with your life when there's all this resentment built up. What about crimes of passion in the war zone? It destroys unit morale and morale is one of the most important thing to maintain to keep the unit working like the well oiled machine it is. Not to sound like a misogynist either but there are a lot of loose women in the military. I'm not saying it to degrade women, but I am speaking from experience. Honestly I feel their behavior degrades women and not all of them are like that but it only takes one to cause some pretty major issues within a unit. On top of that military sexual assault is already a huge issue within the military and I don't see that getting any better by allowing women to go combat arms. Men in a combat situation get a combat high off of their own adrenaline and testosterone. Combat erections are a very real thing, I could easily foresee soldiers riding that combat high getting carried away and going to far. Especially when they are on a long deployment and there is only a handful of women around. I'm not justifying it but it's a very real danger these women may face. Now imagine what that would do to unit morale and efficiency. This is war, the unit has to be working at optimum efficiency at all times, and no amount morally politically correct justification can make up for the fact that if the unit isn't at its best it could cost lives. I'm sorry I'm all for women's rights and equality, but if it could mean losing one of my brothers in arms lives then it's not a good idea.
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I'm all for it as long as they physically can take it. I mean men and women are built differently for different roles and we are capable of different things. Hell, most women could probably batter me but how would they cope on the front line if their bodies can't take it?
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1 返信They could be infantry in a female unit only because most girls wouldn't be able to haul a geared up male to safety.
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Look at it this way, in WW2 Russia incorporated women into everything from infantry, snipers, bombers, pilots, tank commanders etc... So it can obviously be done. They'd have to go in knowing and [b][u]UNDERSTANDING[/u][/b] what may happen to them, let's not sugarcoat it, it's happened before. [spoiler]bad really bad things[/spoiler] happen to women whether it's from the enemy or in some cases their allies. It's dangerous for everyone no matter what
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How can they serve and be in the kitchen at the same time? Of course they should have the right to join in my country we allow woman to join our elite SaS but to this date none have passed the physical and mental requirements for it
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7 通の返信Bottom line, women should at least be given the opportunity to join infantry if they want/can meet the exact same standards as the men. I served for 8 years, did my tour in Iraq in a support role because that's all that women could do, regardless of the incoming mortars, or running convoys through Baghdad, and no, I didn't take that stupid CAB, because that thing is for pussies who want to feel special about their wartime service. If you believe that because you are/were/still are infantry in a war zone, and you just want to play the "I had it harder than you" game, by all means, you had it harder than me, lots of people did, and lots of people had it easier than me, too. This argument is about equal opportunity. I knew men who were total pansies, and I knew women who could crush those men with their bare hands. The point is, women need to be given the opportunity to try out for combat roles, and if they can make it, more power to them. If they can't, oh well, there are men who don't make it either. I am not, nor was I ever, a woman who could have made it as infantry, even in my prime, but women should at least be given the option.
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They just recently ok'd women to serve on submarines (as enlisted there has been a few female officers already). personally I am a ok with it, I know there will be problems at first but we need the numbers because we have slowly begun scraping the bottom of the barrel for smart, dedicated personnel. By including women we are bringing twice the possible number of applicants which increases our chances of getting effective people. Also women have been edging men out of the way in terms of educational scores so we can take advantage of possibly having smarter workers as well. Front line work is a bit more difficult for me to make a clear call on, not because I care about taking care of women but because of how their presence changes the game. If a woman is injured and in a hard to reach spot on the front line men are more likely to risk their lives to save her than a male who is injured even if its impossible to save her. Also if a female gets captured prisoner exchanges are more difficult because captors find female prisoners more... Useful.
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21 通の返信Jim the Adminにより編集済み: 3/21/2015 4:55:06 PMIt doesn't really matter what [i]you[/i] think. Women already can serve in many combat roles and they are performing admirably. Many have already made the ultimate sacrifice while you sit here and talk about how they [i]shouldn't be allowed to[/i]. Exclude women from the military and you're only going to further promote an environment where sexual discrimination/assault is tolerated. What do you gain from not allowing a women to serve and potentially die from her country? In boot, they have to meet certain standards for combat roles, and if they don't meet those in boot, they don't make it until either they do meet the standards or they reclass. You're telling me that a child knows better then a military organization on who is combat ready? Try again.