Edit: im on the 360 The Dark Below for me has been nothing but irritating. Not the actual raid, but the people. For some reason i am always invited into a group with 3 experienced players and 3 semi noobs. me being the latter. The 3 experienced players are always complaining about the team sucking. on hard. (i have accomplished hard before) Now apparently I'm not good enough for this raid because i don't have the Ghorn. I didn't realize this was required to play the raid. so now i get kicked from raid teams because my rocket launcher isn't good enough. I'm sorry that I'm more of an LMG guy and my Truth doesn't do it for you. Edit: all in all i just think this raid relies too much on launchers. In Vault of Glass I was never asked if I had a specific weapon. It was just my level. This raid i have done with many noobs, and with a bit of teaching and hard work we always came through. it didn't matter if you had the most op weapons in the game you could still accomplish victory. Edit: The reason i wrote this was to compare my experience between the two. not to bitch about getting kicked. Overall VoG was just way more fun for me and i could accomplish with any assortment of weapons. I just think it is dumb that CE almost always requires a rocket launcher. and on top of that doesn't really even need teamwork. Bungie, please don't allow the next raid to be like TDB. Please let it rely on player skill instead of player weapons.