I’m a veteran raider. I have done every raid in D2 at least once and have helped many of my friend through their first clears. Got all of them through Deep stone multiple times this week. Personally, I have no problem with people putting KWTD on their posts. I don’t care if someone hasn’t done the raid before, but I prefer if they have some kind of knowledge of the mechanics. It is not hard to sit down and watch a video about how to do a raid, the you tubers love to make them and there’s plenty of them. And even if the person doesn’t understand everything about the raid just by watching the video, I have seen first hand that background knowledge makes it easier to learn the raid when you’re actually doing it. Furthermore, if someone is unwilling to watch a quick video about a raid or look up a textual guide, then that kinda shows me that they don’t care too much whether or not they get it done.

This is not new @OP.... Very first raid VOG was the same....

KWTD is bad metapsychology and a big red flag for team formation. Contrary to what this idiotic acronym supposes, I know the videos and the “knowledge” are out there. Most of us do. And many times I have it— I have watched the videos and so forth. Because I like to see what the mechanics are, even if I never do the raid. I like to think most are actually like me in this. KWTD annoys me. Lack of knowledge does not bother me. The catch is that KWTD presumes a non-lack of knowledge, that a person *truly* knows. That’s different than an avowed lack of knowledge and it’s definitely worse. It feeds impatience in raids, and it gets in the way of people speaking up and asking questions about the little details that actually make raids go faster. People stop sharing what they know, because everyone is *supposed* to know. Nothing beats a good raid leader explaining the mechanics to you when you are actually playing the space yourself. And when you have that KWTD becomes as arbitrary as it ought to be and actually is in the first place. You either have a raid team or you don’t. And most of those KWTD teams don’t. KWTD coupled with increasingly demanding and finicky raid mechanics, makes the time investment just not worth it to me.

HA! If I see KWTD I immediately look past these sorts of party advertisements. I'm 42, I've been playing D2 since launch, I work fulltime as an IT Infrastructure Manager. I've pretty much accomplished everything in D2. When I look to get raids done on the weekends. The last thing I want to deal with are individuals with bad, snobbish, elites attitudes. Personally when advertising for party members while including "KWTD" this is one of the rudest ways to attract players. Players should be ashamed if this is the case with the new raid. Outside of players watching YouTube tutorials over and over. How are they going to "KWTD". Anyhow, just sharing my thoughts.

My first raid was VoG, just a friend invite who was also invited by a friend. No clue what was going on, trained as we went. The guy was friendly, and I think there was less pressure on time. I mean Destiny used to be knock out the raid, NF, and strike for coins and you were kind of done and free to do whatever else you felt like. But the bigger difference wasn't time, the mechanics were easier. Protect the confluxes, run in the holes when the supplicants come. Back when we could cheese wall the oracles. What's to teach? Equip IceBreaker and shoot oracles, one guy hid for the one you couldn't get from there. Templar, one guy needed to know how the relic worked. The gorgon maze and jumping puzzle would be laughable by today's jumping puzzle standards. Atheon was pretty straight forward too. You either got sucked in and shot oracles or you protected the gate. Bungie has made the LFG environment what it is, I don't think people have changed. The raids have.

If I put KWTD, I wanna burn through the raid, not stay at checkpoints. I used to do sherpas a lot, you can check my raid report, I would take fresh players. But in that time I’ve learned that you find a lot of bad players. But you wanna raid, I get it, so I’ll let you know what lead to me kicking players that haven’t done the raid. Firstly, lack of communication. If i ask are you having any problems, just say it, if the person wanted you kicked they wouldn’t have asked if you’re having problems. Also talk to coordinate, nothing is more annoying than asking if you got scanner and no damn reply. Secondly, you’re going in blind, this ain’t day one, and if you don’t have a team that wants to go blind, study up. I always give a quick run down, because first hand experience is always different. But you may be a slow learner, if you are? Please look up a video because there’s only so many chances players are willing to give, and if we are an hour into the encounter? Your clock is ticking, check it like this. Everyone has a life, and some of us wanna get back to that life, not everyone has all day. Thirdly, repeated mistakes and a lack of any retention. If you wanna get kicked faster than Hawthorne can finish her killed ghaul speech? Repeat the same mistake over and over, and not attempt what someone told you. I get tight when I pause the raid essentially, give you a visual rundown of things, and you don’t do it. It is very disrespectful, it becomes personal because it comes off as “I do not care what you say”. So why even have you in the raid? Believe me when I say this, you’re being watched, that player that isn’t the “raid leader” is sending a message of your repeated mistake so raid leader can ask you about it. Lastly, you don’t have the gear. Nothing is more baffling than some wanting to raid, but didn’t put work in for some exotics. I remember a dude said he had thorn, no whisper, thunder, xeno, etc. He didn’t upgrade his celestial. He didn’t even make it into the raid. Gear up, weapons matter, I do not care what you think, it whats been proven versus what you feel. If we wipe and you have a surprisingly low damage number every wipe? You’re getting removed. You need to mentally accept that not every person is entitled to teaching you, nobody owes you anything. Stop acting like people do, and you’ll start becoming a better player. If people want experience players? Get over it, find a team willing to teach. You will soon understand why staying in an encounter, you cleared in one attempt, for an hour more gets annoying and you’ll end up kicking players. There are bad players, and players that need a chance.

So I guess you feel entitled. All of us players that put know what to do spent 10 plus hours in there learning it on day one. Make your own group and learn together just the same... Stop expecting people who put the time in to carry you. Fyi You can check my raid report I already have 11 Sherpas but thats after i get my 3 emblem only runs in for the week

I'm honestly upset at how few people are willing to teach. From personal experience, it rarely takes longer than a few hours. Ok, my Last Wish sherpas do take longer, but that's because I'm a sadist who teaches them legit However, the fact that people get taught how to do the raid by someone else only to kick people who want to be taught is stupid.

KWTD parties are the most toxic.....I rather prefer chill and willing to learn.....bonds from those last longer