[quote]Link is to a video Cammycakes made which is the premise for why this post exists. He’s a veteran PvP player who’s recently expressed his disinterest in playing Crucible seriously. Give it a watch if you’re interested. To me and a lot of other people, there exist crutches in the game that make it very unfair to those not using one. There will always exist metas, yes, but where the game is heading now there seems no possible way for any serious game modes like Trials to be a success, and that’s simply because of the lack of a skill ceiling. The best loadouts are the easiest, hence why I use the term chaotic. I’m no fortune teller; everyone has their opinion and are more than capable of screaming it on the forums. You may love where the Crucible is at right now, and that’s fine. Instead of this post being a whining match, I’d like to gauge some answers so we can make it clear to Bungie. What do [b]you[/b] want out of the Crucible in its foreseeable future. Do you want everything to be powerful? Or do you want a balanced experience? Please vote because I’m curious as to where the player base’s head is at.[/quote] Calling something a “crutch” is just allowing yourself to buy into a meme. Any player can make up for the strength of a weapon, subclass, or exotic with skill. If you listen to how Cammy approaches engagements while doing commentary out loud you can hear him acknowledge the presence of what you call a crutch, and change his play to beat it. All really good players do that. Bad players beg for nerfs. For a game to be fun, there can’t be 100% balance. So there are always going to be some elements in the sandbox that are stronger than everything else. If something is strong players will use it. While players are busy complaining about outliers the strongest loadout in the game hasn’t changed since season 4. It has always been DRB/LH(orNF)/Coil. Of course the two extremes presented are both environments that don’t promote fun or skill expression.

Which game's PvP is balanced? And as for Cammy Cakes, AFAIK he himself uses snipers and can't use primaries that well so his opinion doesn't matter and he can go play a proper competitive game if he's that competitive. Destiny is for casuals and even Fortnite is more competitive than Destiny.

I watched this too and fully agree with him. Ive started to look at crucible as a party game at this point. Good advice.

Whenever crucible is balanced, every gun is nerfed into oblivion, year 3 D1